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AIBU to expect police assistance?

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Tabitha1960 · 31/08/2023 23:08

I've tried to keep this short but not so short that I end up drip feeding in response to questions...

I am a disabled pensioner. One Friday a few weeks ago I invited a local builder to quote for various works to my home. He was well spoken, polite, charming and gentle and I liked him instantly. After discussing the work I needed we fell into friendly chatting until he said he had to dash as he had to find himself a bed for the night. A week previously he had left his wife and small children after discovering she was having an affair, and intended to rent a room in a house (which here costs about £150 a week) but as a stop-gap he had been obliged to pay £100 a night to stay in a local hotel. The hotel was fully booked for the weekend (we are a holiday town) so he had to find somewhere to sleep that night.

He asked if I had a spare room or knew someone who did, and I replied that I do take in lodgers but the only unoccupied bedroom was completely empty, awaiting new furniture for a lodger who was moving in in two weeks' time. He said the £100+ a night for a hotel was crippling his finances, as he was still paying the mortgage on the family home, so he'd even sleep on a floor for a night or two until a bed could be obtained. He'd give me £200 a week to stay until my new lodger moved in, plus he would perform all the little 'handyman' jobs (which have been accumulating for ages) free of charge whilst he was here (though he'd still charge me for the big jobs.) He scrabbled around in his bag for proof of ID to show me, and also handed me his passport, the photo and name and age all matched what he had told me. I phoned a local secondhand shop and a bed was delivered that evening. The builder had to go out to do a few more quotes then returned, exhausted, and flopped into bed, promising to go to the cash machine next day to get the rent money. Then next day there was a problem with his card (wife had got it stopped or something) and he could not take money out but he'd soon sort it and pay me the £200 as promised. He gave me his passport to retain as security.

He was lovely and helpful, friendly and polite for two days, we got on well and had lots of chats and laughs, and then suddenly he changed, like Dr Jekyll into Mr Hyde. He started walking into my private rooms, including my bedroom when I was in bed, without even knocking, sitting down audaciously and behaving however he liked. He helped himself to my food and openly eavesdropped on all my phone calls, commenting on what I said and did. He was rude, aggressive and repeatedly told me I was a horrible person and that he despised me. He announced that he had no intention of paying me a penny or doing any more handyman tasks - no reason given. Naturally I told him that he must leave my house but he refused and said he'd stay as long as he liked. His body language made me feel scared and physically intimidated: I am a 5ft 3in female disabled pensioner, he is 35, 6ft 3 male, and a fit, muscle-bound builder. I felt extremely vulnerable and frightened. I have a lodger - a young lady - but she was out for the day.

I dialled 999 but the call handler refused to send anyone "until he actually hits you. Then you should call us back." I kept on saying that I was a vulnerable disabled pensioner but this changed nothing. He became very angry at me for calling the police on him and smugly smiled at their refusal to help me. I became so scared of him that an hour or so later I left him in the house and went straight to the police station in person, trembling and crying all the way.

I gave the officer on the front desk a brief outline of my problem and gave them his full name and date of birth, which I got off his passport. I asked if a bobby or two could come to my home and just be present for a few minutes whilst I told the man to leave. He could see my age and disability, yet he refused to send anyone! He said it was a civil matter and to evict a tenant I would have to apply to the County Court for an eviction order, which could take months. I explained that the man was not a tenant or a lodger: we had signed no agreement and he had paid me no rent. The policeman said we had a 'verbal agreement' which was 'legally binding.' I repeatedly told him that the man was stealing my food, invading my privacy, saying really nasty things about me and physically intimidating me. I was not asking them to arrest him but simply stand there silently when I told him to leave. I felt that was all that would be needed to make him go quietly. I kept on and on pleading, and broke down sobbing and told the officer that I was too scared to go home, but he just dug his heels in. 'No criminal offence had been committed", so there was nothing the police could do. I had invited the man into my house voluntarily so it was not a police matter. I asked him if this applied to house-cleaners, electricians, district nurses, estate agents and meter-readers and he said YES, if any of them chose to stay and refused to leave it would take a civil court action to get them out. To say I was gobsmacked would be a massive understatement! Our conversation was heard by the other desk officers who were watching and listening and none of them intervened so he must have been correct in what he told me.

He finished up by telling me that my predicament was entirely my own fault: I had been a fool to let him stay. I reminded him that every single day, all over the UK hotels, b&bs, guest houses, AirBnBs, youth hostels and even hospitals allow complete strangers to stay the night. Are they all stupid and foolhardy, and are all the guests entitled to stay forever unless the owner takes them to court? In my young days I travelled the whole UK and have knocked on the door of many a B&B with a 'vacancies' sign in the window, been admitted without any ID and shown to a room, then paid when I was leaving.

When I left the police station, my burning sense of injustice was further inflamed by recalling a Youtube video I had recently seen in which five police officers (of the neighbouring force to mine) were sent to arrest Darren Brady, a harmless, middle-aged man, for re-tweeting a humorous political meme, because an unnamed person called the police to say he found the meme 'offensive'. How come being accused by a random stranger of being 'offensive' on Twitter warrants five officers being tied up for an hour and a man being arrested, handcuffed and thrown into the back of a police van then a police cell (hours later he was released without charge) whilst my being genuinely terrified of a man actually in my home was a 'civil matter'?

In the end my lodger and me got the man out ourselves, by a trick. He bombarded us both with abusive texts for about a week. After he'd gone I discovered that since April he'd scammed and robbed several people in my town, they had all reported him to the police, who said that they could do nothing as they 'could not find him.' Yet when I walked into the station and told them his name and d.o.b. and told them he was at my house, they would not come!

Should I process a complaint that the police failed to help a frightened disabled pensioner lady in distress? Is there any point in complaining if that really is the law as it stands? Or should I be lobbying my MP to get the law changed?

I don't feel that I can just let this pass. It could happen to some other poor lady. What do you think I should do?

OP posts:
QuestionableMouse · 31/08/2023 23:12

I think you should stop inviting random men to stay in your house in the first place!

HedgehogB · 31/08/2023 23:15

What a horrible experience! I have nothing to suggest except perhaps get the Daily Mail to take it up!

rubydoobydoo · 31/08/2023 23:20

Where do you live that you just have police officers sitting around in the station?
Police call handler/dispatcher here and I would have sent officers to help you - if I had any! I'm shocked they didn't. He was stealing from you and intimidating you - one of those is a crime and the other isn't although the police can at least help.

Police can't deal with civil disputes, that part is right - however they can and do attend these situations to prevent a breach of the peace which would have been appropriate in your situation.

Tabitha1960 · 31/08/2023 23:21

Definitely not going that route. It would not actually change anything but would merely open me up to all sorts of abuse and ignorant, sneering nastiness (such as the response above yours).

I'm thinking more along the lines of someone/something official, such as my MP, or the Police Complaints route, the Chief Constable, or some kind of police committee or something like that but don't know who, or where to start.

OP posts:
LivStanshall · 31/08/2023 23:22

QuestionableMouse · 31/08/2023 23:12

I think you should stop inviting random men to stay in your house in the first place!

Haven’t you heard of cuckooing? It’s when someone takes over a vulnerable persons home. That’s what is happening here and the police should have done something.

TriedToMakeMeGoToRehab · 31/08/2023 23:22

QuestionableMouse · 31/08/2023 23:12

I think you should stop inviting random men to stay in your house in the first place!

Please ignore this ridiculous and unkind comment OP!

I think you should definitely complain to the Police about the lack of assistance. I’d also tell your MP that they failed to help. I’d also contact your local paper in case they’ll report on the Police’s lack of action.

Tabitha1960 · 31/08/2023 23:25

rubydoobydoo · 31/08/2023 23:20

Where do you live that you just have police officers sitting around in the station?
Police call handler/dispatcher here and I would have sent officers to help you - if I had any! I'm shocked they didn't. He was stealing from you and intimidating you - one of those is a crime and the other isn't although the police can at least help.

Police can't deal with civil disputes, that part is right - however they can and do attend these situations to prevent a breach of the peace which would have been appropriate in your situation.

Sussex. Our station looks like a post office or bank: a big reception hall with seating, and four booths where reception officers sit behind glass and wait for members of the public to come in to see them about various things.

Interesting that you would have sent someone. This shows that there is a little discretion, then, it's not a hard and fast rule that they won't send anyone until after an assault has happened. As a call handler, do you take into account the physical discrepancy of the two people? ie that I am a disabled female in her 60s whilst he is a tall, muscular builder?

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MolkosTeenageAngst · 31/08/2023 23:27

Being disabled or a pensioner is irrelevant. You are entitled to no more or less help than anybody else when a crime is being or has been committed.

You were beyond foolish to let this man stay at your house, people who have lodgers or Airbnb etc use contracts, agencies etc to help regulate and get deposits and payment details etc. Nobody deserves to be scammed or intimidated but it was very stupid of you to invite him into your home in the first place. Once you had invited him in if he wasn’t actually doing anything illegal I can understand why the police didn’t have the time to attend and why they felt it was a civil matter. In future try to use some common sense when it comes to letting random people come and stay in your house.

Bluesky85 · 31/08/2023 23:29

Im so sorry this sounds terrifying. What a horrible man. It’s a shame you can’t trust anyone these days. You showed him kindness and he betrayed your trust in the most horrible way. I can’t advise on what you should do next but I hope you recover from this. I can’t believe the police did nothing.

rubydoobydoo · 31/08/2023 23:31

Tabitha1960 · 31/08/2023 23:25

Sussex. Our station looks like a post office or bank: a big reception hall with seating, and four booths where reception officers sit behind glass and wait for members of the public to come in to see them about various things.

Interesting that you would have sent someone. This shows that there is a little discretion, then, it's not a hard and fast rule that they won't send anyone until after an assault has happened. As a call handler, do you take into account the physical discrepancy of the two people? ie that I am a disabled female in her 60s whilst he is a tall, muscular builder?

Yes. We also take vulnerability into account and the fact that he appeared to be a risk to you.
I would start by going down the police complaints route although it looks like the force policies as a whole leave a lot to be desired seeing as you got the same response from the control room AND the station itself! Here you can either start the ball rolling on a complaint be calling 101 or you can contact PSD directly which I think may be best in your case. If you don't get anywhere then I would contact your MP.

neilyoungismyhero · 31/08/2023 23:32

QuestionableMouse · 31/08/2023 23:12

I think you should stop inviting random men to stay in your house in the first place!

Don't think the OP needs your sneering advice, she's probably mortified enough already.

QuestionableMouse · 31/08/2023 23:33

TriedToMakeMeGoToRehab · 31/08/2023 23:22

Please ignore this ridiculous and unkind comment OP!

I think you should definitely complain to the Police about the lack of assistance. I’d also tell your MP that they failed to help. I’d also contact your local paper in case they’ll report on the Police’s lack of action.

It's not ridiculous or unkind - anything could have happened to the OP who is clearly too kind and trusting. Not inviting strangers to stay in her house is a simple way to ensure something like this never happens again.

Kinneddar · 31/08/2023 23:33

If you want to make a complaint you need to go through the proper channels. Your local force website will probably have a link or phone 101 & say you'd like to speak to someone to make a complaint about how you were dealt with. It'll start initially with the local Inspector (most likely) who will deal with it or escalate it

I do agree with pp who's a Despatcher I'd have sent officers too. Technically it probably is a civil matter but often the Police presence can be enough to get someone to leave

Theunamedcat · 31/08/2023 23:33

We have had police out for cuckooing more than one time the old man up the road keeps inviting the young men in the police keep turfing them out HE isnt even the one reporting it the neighbours do so I've no clue why the fuck they wouldn't help you

Tabitha1960 · 31/08/2023 23:34

TriedToMakeMeGoToRehab · 31/08/2023 23:22

Please ignore this ridiculous and unkind comment OP!

I think you should definitely complain to the Police about the lack of assistance. I’d also tell your MP that they failed to help. I’d also contact your local paper in case they’ll report on the Police’s lack of action.

Yes, it was rather silly. Thousands of households take in lodgers, they would all have to stop if people stopped allowing strangers into their homes. Then of course all meter-readers, cleaners, plumbers, etc would have to be kept out.

I've had lodgers in this house for 25 years. Must have had about 80 to 100 different people by now, I imagine. Never had any problem with any of them, yet all were "random strangers" when they moved in. Some arrived from abroad the day they moved in, so I never even got a chance to meet them before they moved in, but none has ever been any trouble.

Our paper is not a campaiging type paper. It's just lots of photos of the mayor opening things. And I really don't want the publicity to be honest. Or for HIM to read it because it would just confirm to him that he can do the same again with impunity because the police won't act.

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QuestionableMouse · 31/08/2023 23:35

LivStanshall · 31/08/2023 23:22

Haven’t you heard of cuckooing? It’s when someone takes over a vulnerable persons home. That’s what is happening here and the police should have done something.

I have. The op was naive and far too trusting - she's lucky nothing worse happened!

fabmaccawhackythumbsaloft · 31/08/2023 23:38

It is a civil matter , but that said I would wait until he leaves the house , chuck his stuff out and change the locks and if he becomes abusive or won't leave the police would come out .

He isn't technically a lodger , there's no tenancy agreement. Just chuck him out and call 999 if he won't leave , they will come out then

Bear in mind when you go into a station or phone either 999 or 101 it is NOT a police officer you get through to and they have no real training on the letter of the law.

Enquiry desks are staffed by civilians as are the call centres you get through to .

Take more direct action for yourself and ring 999 if he refuses to leave

And do yourself a favour - be much much more discerning about inviting people into your home .

Thistooshallpsss · 31/08/2023 23:42

You could seek help from citizens advice in making a complaint against the police and the officer who told you that you needed the court to evict him is completely incorrect and should it hand out advice that is legally wrong.

Blowdown · 31/08/2023 23:43

QuestionableMouse · 31/08/2023 23:35

I have. The op was naive and far too trusting - she's lucky nothing worse happened!

Nice bit of victim blaming….

Shameful!

MMorales · 31/08/2023 23:44

YANBU.

I would definitely complain both to the Police and your MP.

Obviously inviting him to stay was foolish, but the Police seemed
completely useless

fabmaccawhackythumbsaloft · 31/08/2023 23:44

This annoys me slightly that people make terrible decisions but then expect other people to sort out their lives for them .

Police do not have endless resources

If others have indeed reported him then the information you gave will be of use in those investigations if he's a con man .

There will most definitely be a backstory to this and the police response.

Tabitha1960 · 31/08/2023 23:45

QuestionableMouse · 31/08/2023 23:33

It's not ridiculous or unkind - anything could have happened to the OP who is clearly too kind and trusting. Not inviting strangers to stay in her house is a simple way to ensure something like this never happens again.

@QuestionableMouse

So if women never go out alone late at night they won't get raped by a stranger? Or if you don't go anywhere by car you will never be in a car crash?

I've welcomed lodgers into my home for 25 years. Must have had about 80 to 100 different people by now, I imagine. Never had a problem with any of them, yet all were "random strangers" when they moved in. Some even arrived from abroad the day they moved in, so I never even met them till they were on the doorstep with their suitcase.

Hostelries, inns, pubs and B&Bs all over the UK have taken in strangers from the street for centuries. I've been such a stranger myself many times. Remember, online booking with cards has only been possible for the past 10-20 years, out of hundreds of years of letting strangers stay and only pay when they leave.

The man proved his identity to me with his passport, something none of my lodgers have done.

What happened is not my fault, so stop trying to blame me.

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Blowdown · 31/08/2023 23:45

@Tabitha1960 this could’ve been my brother when he was in the throes of a bi-polar episode, really nice, then bang nasty!

The police are loathe to get involved with any MH issues anymore, shameful but true.

Hawkins0009 · 31/08/2023 23:47

Omg, all the best op