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Ashtara10 · 29/08/2023 07:55

Schmokin · 29/08/2023 07:11

Can’t remember the last time I went on a train that didn’t have a ticket barrier? Are you sure this is not a series of lies here OP.

We don't have any here? East anglia

Ashtara10 · 29/08/2023 07:56

JenWillsiam · 29/08/2023 07:28

That’s why. If you’ve had the option to buy a ticket and chosen not to it’s a fine.

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We have un manned stations. The machine was broke once and this happened to my daughter. I just called the station and explained and we paid. It was fine.

RampantIvy · 29/08/2023 07:57

Our local stations are unmanned and don't have ticket barriers. However, they all have machines that sell tickets, or people use the Trainline app to buy tickets online.

Were the last two an option @skatermom?
If they were then, unfortunately, the train staff were correct in issuing a fine.

Anothershitusername · 29/08/2023 07:57

Easily fixed
take her back to train station and explain and pay
if she gets away with it ,she will do it again

MyNameIsErinQuin · 29/08/2023 07:57

I suspect giving false details isn’t uncommon. A friend’s teen son got a fair number of penalty notices for not paying for train journeys that he couldn’t possibly have made. Friend replied to notice, with evidence of why it couldn’t have been him and never heard any more.

MeinKraft · 29/08/2023 07:57

Arsegrapes · 29/08/2023 07:43

Another member of society with zero ethics being introduced to the world. You must be so proud.

FFS

WaxhamSeals · 29/08/2023 07:58

Was it a totally false name & address? Or did she give a “friend’s” details?

DrSbaitso · 29/08/2023 07:59

Dwappy · 29/08/2023 07:49

Well the ticket inspector on my branch said he had no physical way of selling a ticket. And as I pointed out upthread, if a line rarely has inspectors, what's to stop everyone only buying on the train when the get caught without one? Why would people keep buying tickets when others aren't bothering and are only buying once a month when they get caught by the inspector?

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It used to be the norm to be able to buy a ticket on the train and in some places it still is. If he's telling the truth that he's been denied the simple handset to do it, that's a deliberate corporate decision with no reason except to "criminalise" people to get more money out of them. It's hard to support such a system, especially when they don't use any enforcement like barriers to encourage ticket buying and instead go straight for penalties and intimidation where they can get them.

On the one hand, I don't support dishonesty. On the other, I also don't support pressuring young girls into giving their details to imposing adult men who, even if they're genuine, are likely not to treat the information with proper security.

JenWillsiam · 29/08/2023 08:01

Ashtara10 · 29/08/2023 07:56

We have un manned stations. The machine was broke once and this happened to my daughter. I just called the station and explained and we paid. It was fine.

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so?

Bbq1 · 29/08/2023 08:01

Stella123456 · 29/08/2023 07:14

I’d be proud of her for her quick thinking. It shows a smart girl. And I wouldn’t give it another thought.

Smart? Dishonest more like. I'd be ashamed if my daughter lied after already commiting an offence. She's obviously also very immature so she shouldn't be travelling alone. Op needs to teach her daughter right from wrong. Can't believe all the pp's praising the girl for lying and then bring rude. A ticket inspector on a busy train (probably with a colleague) was not interested in trying to get the kid's details so he could later abduct her. Again, shows her level of immaturity.

Willmafrockfit · 29/08/2023 08:01

hopefully she wont do it again
my own dd was fined, and that persuaded her not to do it again afaik

Willmafrockfit · 29/08/2023 08:02

i agree @Bbq1
very bloody smug

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2023 08:03

she shouldn't be travelling alone.

She wasn’t.

ThomasinaLivesHere · 29/08/2023 08:03

It seems a bit mean to fine her. I’ve never seen that done where I am but there are regular inspectors so you can’t get away with not having a ticket and don’t get the cheaper returns from them. I guess it is different where you are.

I wouldn’t worry about the consequences as it seems there won’t be any but the issue is what to do about it as she’s hopefully not going to learn this is the way out of such situations.

ProudToBeANorthener · 29/08/2023 08:04

What moral compass allows you to break the law without a second thought? Rail
operators may not be the most efficient companies but they are not charities. Do you steal from book stores and supermarkets as well? Most importantly, what message does it send if you tell a child that it’s okay to lie and steal because that’s what she’s done.

Iwasafool · 29/08/2023 08:05

Dwappy · 29/08/2023 07:49

Well the ticket inspector on my branch said he had no physical way of selling a ticket. And as I pointed out upthread, if a line rarely has inspectors, what's to stop everyone only buying on the train when the get caught without one? Why would people keep buying tickets when others aren't bothering and are only buying once a month when they get caught by the inspector?

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I've never done it but I've been on local trains when people have bought tickets. From what i've overheard I don't think they can buy any cheap tickets, so no off peak, cheap day return or whatever, they just pay the fullfare which can be quite a lot more. Don't know if that is official or we just have strict inspectors.

We don't have barriers at my local station and the ticket office is often closed, there is a machine but unless you've allowed lots of time you can miss your train if you are stuck in a queue. I have seen people in a panic running up to the train and telling the guard they can't buy a ticket because of the queue and he's told them to get on and he will sort it. I assume they don't have to pay the full fare.

It is going to get worse with ticket offices closing.

Arsegrapes · 29/08/2023 08:06

Bbq1 · 29/08/2023 08:01

Smart? Dishonest more like. I'd be ashamed if my daughter lied after already commiting an offence. She's obviously also very immature so she shouldn't be travelling alone. Op needs to teach her daughter right from wrong. Can't believe all the pp's praising the girl for lying and then bring rude. A ticket inspector on a busy train (probably with a colleague) was not interested in trying to get the kid's details so he could later abduct her. Again, shows her level of immaturity.

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Correct. Can bet this wasn't the first or last time that she has behaved in such a way.

MrsJBaptiste · 29/08/2023 08:06

If there's a ticket machine, you have to buy a ticket before getting on the train or you will be fined.

Our ticket machine was broken so we got on the train (no conductor) so went to buy one at the next station just to get through the barriers. We were fined even though the original ticket machine wasn't working!

Notamum12345577 · 29/08/2023 08:06

skatermom · 29/08/2023 06:45

My 14 year old daughter went out into town with her friend yesterday afternoon being bank holiday Monday. We live in a small village and she walks everywhere mostly. This time, they decided to get on the train and thought she would buy a ticket on the train. Her friend has a season ticket due to taking a train for school.
Well, the train conductor gave her a penalty notice for £50 and that a letter will be sent to her address as to what to do.

The problem is that she said she was not about to give her name and address to a stranger so she gave them a false name AND address!
So we will never receive said letter!
I've been so worried because I know it's an offence to not have a ticket but a worse one to give false details. I'm sure it's a criminal offence!
I'm so worried that she'll be on a CCTV somewhere or a 'wanted' ad placed out for her. I haven't slept all night thinking about this.

What would you do? Will they come find her?
Am I unreasonable to think she will be in big trouble with this?

Ok realistically they are very unlikely to find her, or even bother trying too hard. However, personally I would explain to her why it isn’t a good idea, as the people who’s address it is may get some hassle now. I had it happen to me, someone gave a fake address and it happened to be mine. I told them no one by name lived here, but they said they had to go through the process, so it went to court, judgement was given against the person in their absence, and then after a few more letters they sent bailiffs round. That was when I managed to get a stop put to it, I showed the bailiff proof of my name and address.

NashvilleQueen · 29/08/2023 08:07

Two stations in my town neither have barriers.

Divebar2021 · 29/08/2023 08:07

On the one hand, I don't support dishonesty. On the other, I also don't support pressuring young girls into giving their details to imposing adult men who, even if they're genuine, are likely not to treat the information with proper security

don’t use the train then. You know there’s a requirement to buy a ticket in order to use the service. If you don’t want to abide by the terms don’t use it. If she’s old enough to be getting on trains without an adult she’s old enough to understand the implications. ( it also doesn’t sound like she panicked to me…)

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ThomasinaLivesHere · 29/08/2023 08:08

@MrsJBaptiste Surely that would be easy to appeal if the ticket machine was broken?

JessieJoJames · 29/08/2023 08:09

Could she not have bought a ticket on the train? Where I live if you don't buy a ticket when you board then you buy it from the inspector on the train? No penalty notice.

I really don't think I would be celebrating her as some have suggested - she broke the rules, then lied when caught out. Not exactly great behaviour.

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skatermom · 29/08/2023 08:11

Thank you for your helpful replies!
To answer a few questions, no, our local train stations (there are 3 within a 1 mile radius) and the ENTIRE line of 19 stops to the main city have no barriers. You just hop on. Some have ticket desks but most around us and the one they got on, have just a machine on the other end so they just got on when the train arrived. I think sometimes, they take it for granted that they need to buy a ticket because all the kids either have a season train ticket or a season bus one depending on the school they go. She has a bus one. My daughter is usually very safety conscious but she may have just not thought very much about the ticket situation because they all get around the village and town daily.

She has a bank card (will money in it) and knows she could just buy a ticket on the train (just like she would on the bus if she forgot her pass) but the conductor refused to let her buy a ticket at all, just started questioning her and told her she will be fined for not having one.

Our 3 local stations have no ticket desks to walk up to someone to explain anything to. We would need to travel in to the main town to do this.

Her coming up with a fake name was more not taking it seriously I think. They sometimes live in a silly tiktok / Nickelodeon type world where cheeky teens get away with little things and everyone laughs at the end. Being from an ethnic minority, it is even more unlikely that she will get away with stuff so I really need to have a talk with her. She is usually a 'very good' girl. She volunteers in her spare time, very polite, is good at school. She is a little forgetful though.

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Shopper727 · 29/08/2023 08:11

Where I live you can buy tickets on any train no problem but I remember going to London from somewhere outside whilst staying with my uncle and not realising you couldn’t do that so same happened never crossed my mind to give fake details it wasn’t intentional I just did not realise you couldn’t buy your ticket on the train. Even though the man then gave me a ticket once I’d paid.