I’ve withdrawn from organ donation register

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I give blood and have always been very pro organ donation.

Sadly I have just withdrawn as protest against reproductive organ donation. I can’t support it and am very conflicted as would like to donate other organs.

What are your views and is it a hasty decision (although not sure I would change my mind).

But it becoming opt out literally just meant that it changed from a system of "Ask the family about the possibility of organ donation only if the person has explicitly opted in" to a new system of "Ask the family about the possibility of organ donation unless the person has explicitly opted out"

Your family being aware is a moot point if you have formally opted out as they won't ask them at all, which was the point of the change - now they will ask everyone, whether or not you have a formal wish recorded on the register, unless you have explicitly opted out.

The only other option is to withdraw from the register which basically means you didn't say yes or no so we'll ask your family and they will make the decision purely based on their wishes as you didn't formally record them on the register so can't use them to guide the decision.

That's not true. My wishes are formally recorded by deliberately opting out. Family do not get to override that.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · Today 08:26
I took the opportunity to remove myself from the list in the run up to Opt In becoming the default. I object to the presumption, but I've always been personally uncomfortable with the ethics of transplant in any case, so it was something I'd been mulling over for a while. I also have an Advance Directive stating that under no circumstances do I consent to transplant or transfusion myself, but whether doctors will actually pay any heed to that remains to be seen. If I was conscious I'd point it out to them, but there is always the scenario whereby I'm transfused while being unconscious. Closest friends know about my wishes though, so I'd hope they'd be decent enough to draw attention to it as well.

See this view I can respect totally. If you aren't going to accept anyone else's donation then it's fair enough if you don't want your organs used after death. I suspect you are in the minority of people who wouldnt donate though. I bet most would accept someone else's kidney for example if it would save their life. And that's what I can't get my head around.

Me I'm happy to donate any of my organs as long as my family consent at the time. I'd also accept an organ if I needed one.

I apologise if my wording wasn't clear but you have taken that out of the context of my post where I make it clear you have three options but I will set them out again in the hopes of being clearer

A) opt in which allows the doctors to discuss the option of donation with your family - within this option you have the opportunity to expressly decide whether you want to donate everything or only certain things and those wishes will be made known to your family during that discussion so they know what your explicit wishes were.

B) opt out which means the doctors will not even discuss donation with your family - this means you explicitly say no and register this wish formally.

C) withdraw from the register which means you don't make any formal recorded decision on the register to explicitly say yes or no. This means they default back to "opt in" where they ask your family to consider donation, but this time the decision is purely their own as they have no information as to what you were/weren't happy to donate.

The default is opt in, the difference between a) and c) is that the first option means they have the discussion in the full knowledge of your wishes and the the latter means it is made by your family alone.

I am the same way too.

Well said. The pick and choosy moral outrage fom some on here is so hypocritcal. I am sure we can go through their lives with a fine tooth comb and find something they are small-minded, mean, cruel and selfish about.

You can't opt out of something they legally can't take though.

You didn't ever have to explicitly opt out of donating your brain but just because you didn't explicitly say no doesn't mean they can say "Well Jane said she was happy to donate her heart, lungs, kidneys, liver, corneas, and bone so while we are in there we'll just help ourselves to her brain too, she won't mind"

Previously your family would only be asked about the possibility of organ donation if you had explicitly signed up to the register. So even if you had no objection to organ donation, and would be willing to do so, if you hadn't filled in the form they would not even ask your family.

Is that correct? I'm not sure it is.

Well said!

My partner is a transplant patient!

Hope you child get a transplant when needed ❤️

Uterus/reproductive system isn't listed yet, @moomoosaka , so no, there is not.

”Bots” with long posting histories?! 😂😂 I don’t post on trans threads usually.

That was the whole point of the change - previously unless you had explicitly opted in then they wouldn't ask, whereas now they will ask unless you have explicitly opted out

If it's not listed then they can't take it ... Just the same as the brain, bladder, arms, legs, ears etc - you don't have to explicitly opt in/out of donating them as they legally cannot take them.

YUBU. You can opt out of a womb tranplant if you want to but your other organs could save many lives. I have a good friend who's whloe family have a kidney condition necessitating transplants for them all. 2 siblings have had them and 1 is waiting. I hope people don't start opting out for the reason you state.

We are not that long away. Trans activists themselves have said that.

What you define is 'anti-trans' is actually pro-woman. But that narrative doesn't read as well with misogynists. Women always have to be the bad guys who are 'anti' something.

If you encourage people to opt out of all organ donation because there's the off-chance that a womb will become available to a trans person down the line, and people act upon that, then it is certain that people will die needlessly because of that.

Are you happy with that? Because I'm not.

But they WILL be able to soon. And given the govt changed to rule from opt in to opt out, without any consultation, what we're saying is we don't trust the govt. One iota.

Personally I am against womb transplants for men/women/trans.

It is not a life saving procedure, no one has the right to have a family no matter how much people may want one.

I also agree with pp that this is a slippery slope to potential abuse and surrogacy through the back door. I don’t care if people agree with me or not. That’s the beauty of being allowed a different opinion.

for it to become an option in 10 years for a man to have a baby means this decade now will be spent experimenting to make this happen….

for transparency I have opted out as has my partner. Neither of us would accept an organ either.

my children are free to make their own choices

I have opted in for organ donation. I think I would probably donate my uterus if that ever becomes an option. However, I would not donate my ovaries if that became an option.

All of this, especially

I do think this will be the inevitable outcome after a decade of watching the nhs erode their trust capital with women as they diminish their sex to parts - womb havers, chest feeders - and make invisible their specificity - pregnant people, etc
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But of course, it's easier to lay the blame at the feet of women who insure themselves against this manipulation by withdrawing consent in a wholesale fashion. Much easier to do that than recognise that this mistrust was achieved in inches over years of gaslighting.

It's easier for people who aren't as on the ball, so to speak, to blame us women, who are FORCED to take this choice. Through no fault of our own. Instead of blaming those that caused this atmosphere of fear and uncertainty. Women are to blame for everything, even when we are simply protecting ourselves.

'hysteria' Charming.

"You are being an idiot" for using such misogynistic language.