Do you support the ULEZ expansion?

[icecream99]

Just curious as it is due to start at midnight tonight and could potentially cause a lot of chaos. I don't support it.

YANBU - I DON'T support ULEZ expansion

YABU - I DO support ULEZ expansion

This.

What sort of ridiculous comment is that!? Of course it's only road users' opinion that matters on a road policy like ULEZ - they're the ones being asked to pay it!!
Non-drivers' opinion on ULEZ would of course matter if ULEZ was really about reducing air pollution. But it isn't. So it doesn't.🤷🏼‍♀️

And my question about Khan isn't strawman at all. If he succeeds in his aim of stopping cars driving into London and people decide to stop coming into London altogether, TFL would go under and he'd be begging drivers to come back! Either that, or start charging cyclists £12.50 instead. As they say, be careful what you wish for...

Two things annoy me around this topic.

The first is calling it ULTRA LOW Emission Zone. What is "Ultra" about it when it will have a minimal effect on pollution and still allow 80-90% of fossil fuelled vehicles to travel without charge. It should really be called the "Slightly Lower Emission Zone". They can call it ULTRA when all fossil fuelled cars have to pay or are banned from the zone.

The second is that these schemes are being left up to local government to devise and implement. In the near future every city and large town will have Clean Air Zones, and they will all have different rules. It will be a nightmare for any driver entering a town and trying to work out the places where is vehicle is compliant and where it is not.

There are myriad ways to get into London that don’t involve cars, particularly ICE cars and they are widely used now. You’re being a bit silly.

For those worried about tradesmen, this plumber does 95% of his work by bike. Obviously heavy deliveries will need a vehicle, but many cargo bikes can manage 100kg (five bags of cement) and let's face it most bigger loads will come on a lorry, not in a van. Unlike his van that takes 40 minutes to get to a job through the traffic, he says that he feels "quite smug" as he whizzes past the jams.

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It will be a nightmare for any driver entering a town and trying to work out the places where is vehicle is compliant and where it is not.

I have autopay set up for the ULEZ which is fine. I drove round Birmingham last year and wasn't sure whether I'd entered its clean air zone. Phoned up to check and they said they couldn't tell me and it was self declaration. So if I hadn't paid, they weren't running an ANPR system to send me a fine? It's ridiculous.

I'm sorry but the ULEZ is a money making scheme. And, as I've said, it's going to increase the pollution in our local area which already fails the guidelines. The Imperial report showed it has minimal effects for those inside too, because people can and will still drive in with high emission vehicles.

If you want to actually improve air pollution, ban all non electric cars by 2028. Not that I think they're environmentally friendly in many ways but at least there's some rationale to it. This pay model is just plugging Khan's massive hole in the TfL finances.

Jcyclops, 'a nightmare' is having 40 million cars on the road, if you want to drive, deal with the admin or find another way to travel

Grass321, it's not the greatest business model for money grabbing though, given as people will eventually give up their cars and join the thousands of non drivers in london who won't have to pay a penny

Illogical arguments again. That's like saying only people who pay tax should get to vote on tax rates. That's not how a democracy should work. All citizens have the right to vote in elections and per se vote on how tax should be raised and what it should be spent on.

Tfl would do very well if private cars couldn't come into London

You should have asked those living in the zone only to reply, as I can say 100% that almost 50% of my friends don’t support it. No-one does

So 50% do support it?

Should only smokers comment on the smoking ban?

@Jumpingthruhoops you do realise that not all road users are car drivers? I use buses so am a road user. I cross roads, so am a road users, I walk along side roads (and in rural areas on roads) so am a road user.

I also pay tax that goes to build and maintain roads.

The entitlement of car drivers is hilarious.

The extra costs involved in car ownership is one of the reasons why I don't own a car. I live in Zone 3 London so wouldn't use a car to get to work or to go out at night, and frankly it is often easier and quicker to walk or get the bus to my local shops.

So for me, the fixed costs (tax, parking, insurance) plus the depreciation of the asset itself, make car ownership a poor financial decision for me. If I need a car for what ever reason, I hire one.

I support it. I've voted for Khan every time and will do so again.

Do only those living in the zone have to pay ULEZ? No

What I mean (obviously) is people voting who live no where near london and aren’t having to fork out for a new car in the middle of a cost of living crisis. I might say I support the scheme from the middle of Scotland but pretty pointless voting if you’re not impacted at all or very minimally by it. I don’t live in it either, but 1 mile away and kids school is in the zone.

Not being silly at all? Do you actually live in London?

I am SO over this conversation now. Drivers being forced to fork out £12.50 a day have every right to feel 'entitled'.

My car is brand new, so it doesn't affect me. I just happen to care about others now forced to pay the charge who may already be struggling.

I mean they aren't FORCED - they can get a compliant car (and over 90% of cars are compliant) or not drive in to the ULEZ zone. That is like saying I am FORCED to pay peak fare if I get the train at a certain times.

Perhaps they can't afford a compliant car. Prices have shot up

@Jumpingthruhoops I do live in London and have done for over twenty years - never owned a car. Mr Monkey has lived in London all his life - including a couple of years living and working in the far reaches of the suburbs and has similarly never owned a car. It is perfectly possible for many people to move around London without a car - over half of the residents in our borough exist quite happily not owning a car.

@greengreengrass25 there are grants.

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