Do you support the ULEZ expansion?

[icecream99]

Just curious as it is due to start at midnight tonight and could potentially cause a lot of chaos. I don't support it.

YANBU - I DON'T support ULEZ expansion

YABU - I DO support ULEZ expansion

Oblomov, normal people are all ready being penalised, the ones who don't drive

Freepo - you really think all those cars on your road are making necessary trips? But hey, let's blame the cyclists

Where did I blame cyclists for anything?

Or indeed say “all those cars are making necessary trips”? The point I was making was totally different but you didn’t bother to read it first time round so no point typing it out again.

I think the big con here is that it is outrageous to be encouraging people to scrap viable vehicles in favour of what are effectively giant computers with limited shelf lives that are going to end up functionally unrepairable and consigned to landfill, far far sooner than used to be the case with the sort of vehicle a normal garage used to able to repair by looking under the bonnet. And when these vehicles fail, and speaking from experience, they do so spectacularly, cutting off the power with barely any warning at speed and there is nothing you can do about it. Imagine - like sitting inside your laptop but travelling along in the fast lane when you get a 10 second warning before the whole thing suddenly decides to shut down. Cynically, there seems to be so much green washing in favour of ‘new green jobs’ in the car manufacturing sector - building landfill mountains - and who can argue with ‘scrappage’ when it’s all in the name of protecting children’s lungs.

Just don’t imagine yourself driving your lovely new high spec car beyond a maximum of 5 years before you have no option but to throw it away and buy another.

Exactly. I see so much of this. I am furious about the expansion... and our car is ULEZ complaint (bought new last month)!

Why? Because I can only imagine how stressful it's going to make the lives of those less well off, who are perhaps already struggling to make ends meet. Most people can't just 'go and buy' a new car... it's not a pint of bloody milk!!

An ONS freedom of information request confirmed that ONE person has officially died from 'pollution'. This is nothing more than a cash grab to fill a black hole in TFL.

You’re being disingenuous. It’s perfectly obvious what rat running is. It leads to cars driving too fast down quiet residential streets to cut two minutes off their journey.

I'll be quite happy when pay-per-mile is a thing. Preferably with a weight-based multiplier to charge the heaviest vehicles the most, they do the most damage after all. Even if they decided to charge bicycles, my 10.5kg bike will barely weigh in compared with 1,500kg of SUV.

Well, of course you would, you'd hardly be paying anything. But it's not just about you, is it? A decent society shouldn't want to see anyone struggle.

I support it, but it should go further. Non compliant cars and vans should be banned altogether

No

if you can’t afford the £12.50 you will pay it

many will struggle or simple can’t pay this and do need their car to get to work/appointments

once again a tax that makes being poor very expensive

Everyone driving to Heathrow will have to pay too if their car is no compliant.

I drive into London to visit family and they are just inside the edge of the new zone. Fortunately my car is compliant anyway but my cousin has had to change a work van at considerable cost.

No, I’m just inside the zone. With green open land on one side of the road and not in an area with air quality issues. I drive my car only about twice a week. It’s financial madness to replace, but those two days have such a impact.
We are a large family with a diesel we use for long distance. There is nothing I can afford that fits everyone and won’t cost me thousands in likely garage issues. I have a low mileage diesel, just a bit too old. Me scrapping it and getting a slightly newer car will create more pollution than me minimising driving it and never driving into town (I have buses for those routes so never do).
One day I do a ten minute drive. It’s one hour to walk yet 55min by bus. I’m not even counting the time waiting for the intial bus. That’s how crap buses are here. My kids are stopping clubs because of it, it’s making their world smaller whilst more polluting cars are allowed in and there will be no change to air pollution where they live. They lose, they don’t gain whilst the Rich are fine

Am I right in thinking that you can drive a non-compliant car within the zone as long as you don't leave the borough and drive back in past the cameras? If so, that means someone who lives in a greater London borough can drive around in an old banger spewing out fumes for free but someone coming in the same car from 1/2 a mile away will have to pay? Is it about emissions or money?

The cameras are everywhere

My 20 yr old diesel is amazing. Never broken down. Is used correctly (not short journeys alone) and still is a fast pass on an MOT emissions test even with the stricter rules. It was a good car and isn’t actually that different to the ukez spec for emissions, it’s just old. It’s never had more than a worn brake pad or fuse blown in an MOT. It’s used for one short journey a week, but on a 40/60 road. I barely use it.
I cannot believe the pollution from scrapping it and manufacturing more will even touch what will be measured from minimally using an older car. I certainly don’t believe that using all these compliant cars every day of the week is useful to anyone, when others actually reduce journeys, run an old car and use public transport whenever they can because they aren’t investing 10k+ in their car

Some bits have cameras every 100m or so, go down the north circular and you’ll see them repeated many times between exits. I can only presume it’s going pay per mile, because it’s way more than you’d need

I don't support it but I agree with you. Give reasonable notice and banned altogether.

Right now it's a money making scheme and, if non compliant cars and vans can pay, you're still getting the pollution.

I'm also annoyed that I've had to sell a perfectly good diesel car when you consider the environmental impact of manufacturing additional cars. And that's before we get onto the issues with lithium and cobalt mining and use of child labour for electric cars.

No. There's not just cameras at the boundary. There's cameras absolutely everywhere.

No it's not obvious what it is. Driving too fast ie speeding is a separate issue. Driving a quicker route is a totally normal thing to do. All roads are residential in London. Calling it a "quiet" residential road is irrelevant. If you don't want to live on a road which people can drive down then you need to buy on a private road.

All roads in London are not residential. Don’t be ludicrous.

But I see from your other posts on this thread that you believe lots of odd things.

Yes they are as in virtually all roads will have some residential property on them.

Even in a high street full of shops, there will be residential flats above them

You would describe the Westway as residential? The dual carriageway parts of the A406? Oxford Street? The Embankment?

Is one flat on a road enough to make it residential?

The A406 has residential property on it...maybe not all stretches but lots of it. Oxford street absolutely will have some residential property on it. No idea about the embankment. I said virtually all. Where I live, near the South circular, random sides roads have been blocked off with plant pots under the excuse that they are residential roads...yes all the traffic is stuck on the South circular which has houses and flats all along it. Why are some residents more important than others?