Karen advert

[IncognitoMam]

This shouldn't be allowed surely? Who comes up with this shit?
I'm not called Karen but I know Karen's that hate their name now because of the way it's used.

@LadyKenya I knew from Socrates post that word among the usual 's0 wHaT uRę sAyInG iZ tHaT whYte WimMen Ar£ bÃd pË0plè', would be the response. So allergic to accountability that the post has to be reduced and reframed to be regurgitated. The twisting of this post now appears to mean that women calling out sexism against ALL women is somehow racist. I think that's the call card for someone to pipe in with 'Well of course calling out sexism against ALL women is not racist' cue 'So what's the issue then, is it that you hate white women!!???' A tradition passed down through the generations Kenya

I'm not loving the tone of utter, sneering contempt there. It undermines any points made unfortunately.

I reported, and a few have done similarly, as it looks like there's been more of the same batshittery (excuse the expression !) this morning.

Some people have been winding up. The example of using the poll stats as support.

The use of the word did not bother me in the slightest@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat . I wish that was all I had to get worked up about.

This is why I can't really be doing with all this@DojaPhat . It really is something on here.

Hopefully Mumsnet can now sort it out and ban the culprits. They won't want people put off posting here. I must say this has never happened on these threads before. It's usually just incel men saying we're the Karens for complaining about it.

It should. The same way the Karen slur should bother you.

Google is your friend here.

Something akin to a DEI initiative or Equal Opportunities for misogynists?
Why-ever not.

Your post isn't as glib as it first appears, there are some real issues with the lens through which some non-white (hate that term but better than BAME) men view white women. I don't think anyone has suggested that this isn't the case and can be harmfully pervasive left unchallenged.

Not really, Dojaphat, more of a thought experiment 🤷‍♀️

So would it be ok to have a special word, then?

I actually think accusations of racism and being an apologist for racism are very grave ones, and to see them made baselessly as an attempt to silence women has been quite shocking to see.

Quite.

I actually feel sorry for the men posting such toxic bile here. Only way they're getting any attention obviously.

Definitely. It's quite shocking.

I think this sums it up pretty well.

The absence of a specific term for Black or Asian men does not necessarily imply racism in itself. 'White feminism' came about as a critique of a specific trend within feminism that was centred around the experiences of white women to the exclusion of non-white women (i.e their experiences as a result of their race+sex). This is why intersectionality matters to me because far from thinking it to be about man-hating, angry women, it just seemed like it didn't apply to me. So it addresses issues within the feminist movement.

That said, it's possible to discuss misogyny within specific cultural contexts, including Black or Asian communities. If you're looking for a term that specifically addresses this issue, it might not be as widely recognised as 'white feminism' (though perhaps relevant when considering the direction the thread has taken) but frameworks to understand misogyny, gender roles, and sexism within any cultural context are complex and vary widely; there are some Black and Asian men who consider white women a prize above all other women - even (and especially) when compared to women from the same cultural / ethnic background as themselves.

This thread is illuminating.
To begin with. Lots of women voicing their experiences of this word as a misogynistic slur, a tool to shut them up. Veiled accusations of racism with overtones of 'deserving' the abuse. A few posters state they are not white and experience the word as misogyny. Ignored by supposed 'allies'. Accusations grow more overt and aggressive and number of posters drop off, no doubt afraid to be accused of racism or 'white tears'. Women shut up very effectively.

Just an aside, 'tears as a weapon' is a patriarchal trope and interesting how supposed 'feminists' use it as a stick to beat other women with.

I can't genuinely follow the rant, but I notice we are chastised for concerns about 'transwomen'. I can't help but see the parallels as accusations of transphobic work very much as above.

@DojaPhat

Thanks for the essay. But theoretically do you think it would be ok for white women to have a special word for a particular type of misogyny of black or Asian men towards them? Or would that be considered racist? You haven't answered that.

Just an aside, 'tears as a weapon' is a patriarchal trope and interesting how supposed 'feminists' use it as a stick to beat other women with.

I can't genuinely follow the rant, but I notice we are chastised for concerns about 'transwomen'. I can't help but see the parallels as accusations of transphobic work very much as above.

This.

And the PP defending the ‘Karen’ ad because the ‘firm is based in a country which was invaded by white people’.
All the mental gymnastics to shut up ‘white women’, even though it’s not just them who are affected by misogyny.

And if this thread is anything to go by, it doesn't matter if black women are given the same treatment. Which very much makes it seem like those using accusations of racism aren't really focused on fighting racism. They just want to co-opt horrific historical cases of racism in order to get women to STFU about sexism. All whilst virtue signalling about what awesome social justice warriors they are.

Nice.

Agree.

I feel personally responsible for the colonisation of Australia now.

Glad to see sane intelligent posters have appeared on the thread. Beachcomber that’s a succinct and clear overview of what’s happened.