What are all pensioners getting another £300 this winter??

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They are amongst the richest people in the country, yes there are poor pensioners but a lot of them are way richer than anyone else.

£300 more for energy, none of the old people I know need this, they all have more money than their children.

Just because they vote, that is the only reason they can be doing this.

TheThinkingGoblin · Today 15:30

This post was focused mainly on the lack of enough tax being paid.

It isn't pensioners in general who don't pay tax. Many people of pensionable age are still working and paying tax. Anyone with an occupational pension pays tax.(or should pay their tax). It is rich people of all ages who manage to avoid and evade taxes. It has been pointed out elsewhere in the thread that means testing the winter fuel payment would cost the tax payer more.
Perhaps it would be worth making the WFP taxable. That still doesn't fix the problem of tax evasion by the rich of all ages.

TheThinkingGoblin · Today 16:57.

’Facts’ and ‘Emotions’. Margaret Thatcher said “There is no such thing as society” …….”There are people”…….. She couldn’t understand the concept of society because it didn’t fit in with her ‘factual’ hard line thinking. People, society are affected by facts and emotions.

I have wondered Goblin if you are AI. but no, you are too human in your attacking.
I have also been thinking about your chosen screen name.

Goblin = A mischievous and ugly creature. Very apt.

You clearly enjoy insulting people, maybe some therapy would help.
I’m surprised that you haven’t long abandoned this sinking ship.

I won’t be responding to any more of your missives as, despite wanting to appear rather tired of the ‘unintelligent’ people on here, you love to put them down.

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porridgecake · Today 17:16
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It is rich people of all ages who manage to avoid and evade taxes.

YES. !

I’ve presented more facts than you have. You couldn’t even get the percentages of children and pensioners in poverty right. All you manage to do is patronise, lecture and insult without providing any evidence to support your claims. If you think you’re the product of a superior education, you’re a poor advert for it. However you’re absolutely correct about one thing and that’s the effect of the right wing media which is stirring up intergenerational warfare to distract from the nefarious activities of its political wing.

Will you be leaving?

I see Einstein has returned.

The thing is @TheThinkingGoblin you may well be an expert in mathematical modelling but you seem to be unable to grasp a few basics yourself. People, life, society, the world around you in general, and really, basic manners. Your posts on here have been very unpleasant and needlessly catty. Do you just come onto MN to hunt down people you can call thick and actually what they desperately need is for you to educate them? (I teach btw and there is genuinely nothing cringier than people like you telling quite obviously intelligent people that they need educated).

Moreover, your words encourage discrimination and blame (@Jamtartforme was quite emboldened by you for instance, and has just spewed out yet another post reeking of age discrimination). Divide, divide, divide. How you treat people in life and language you use about them - especially those in vulnerable groups (SUCH AS MANY OF THE ELDERLY) - matters. It matters a lot.

You might be able to run a few numbers through a spreadsheet and tell us when we're likely to die, but really, that's about it mate. Get your head out your jacksie - you'll be happier for it!

Thank fuck it's end of the thread 😂

I will keep telling you stop lying.

I am very, very tired of your lack of lack of experience.

If you are too lazy to look up the link I posted the numbers from, I would highly suggest you don't comment.

Goblin is probably a tory minister.

I am very, very tired of your lack of lack of experience.

Honest to fuck do you hear yourself? I've seen @blossomtoes on here for years and her posts are always intelligent and thoughtful. I don't even think you're a troll winding people up, I think you genuinely believe your shit and are a deeply unpleasant person. Seek a more fulfilling hobby.

Yes. Go back to US/Canada, maybe EU. Depends on the offers.

Not much point in staying on a sinking ship. And thats a problem for the UK

When people in the £100k+ bracket start jumping ship abroad (professionals, Drs, Investors, Entrepeneurs etc) they take their taxes with them, which makes the UKs situation even worse.

Even if you made all the correct choices, it would still take 10-15 years to stop the ship from sinking. The country would then rebalance at a lower real GDP per capita. Standard of living would take a hit. In effect, the country would be about 20% poorer relative to the EU. Slovenia and possibly Poland will come out wealthier.

Rees-Mog is an 18th Century ass of epic proportions, but when he said "we will see the returns in 50 years" he wasn't being sarcastic. People like him know the truth, but they continually lie to you.

The UKs main failing that I have been able to see over the last 30 years is the toxic levels of nationalistic boosterism that have been allowed to build up. Problems are avoided in favour of "feelings", and when those problems become large, you tend to implement only short term sticking plasters using political expediency.

Rinse and repeat over 30 years, and the UK has become a terrible country to live in for the great majority of its people.

The grim reality is you did this to yourselves but keep choosing to blame "others".

I have zero tolerance for lying.

Zero.

There is something about the way you write, Goblin, that makes me suspect that you are not quite what you say you are.

I'm a pensioner and I'm grateful for any extra the government gives me.. it helps towards fuel.
You have no idea on pensioners living status OP so wind your neck in

You didn’t post a link. I was the one who did that - two links in fact with figures that were different to the ones you plucked out of thin air thinking we’re all too stupid to question you. Calling me a liar, inexperienced and lazy really doesn’t help your cause. Particularly given that I’m none of those.

Thanks for making my point for me. Always "others".

But like I said before in this thread, I have options most people do not have.

And it will be easy enough to "see" the results of what I am talking about.

Consultants and Jr Drs are striking because their pay is poor relative to international peers for such specialised jobs.

They are voting with their feet now. Either retiring, or moving to Ireland, Australia, NZ etc.

A poorer country will have these sort of problems. The smart, industrious people will emigrate and go were they can get paid more and have a higher quality of life.

Starmer understands this just as well as I do (he may be a lawyer but he is intelligent), thats why he will not be increasing public spending. He knows the UK is too broke to do so and you cannot tax your way to prosperity.

This. 100%

As I said.

And as I said. The quote is yours. The figures you quoted are incorrect.

Please bear in mind back then there was very little information provided to these women. My mum, despite being a professional, paid "married women's stamp" as it was called. Marriage in the 60;s and 70's and probably even the 80's was considered to be for life (despite it not being). So the expectation from society, govt, employers etc was that the husband's pension would support the family.

OP is perfectly entitled to query the spending of public taxes. As we all are.

Because they're worth it.
One day you will be a pensioner.
I am not a pensioner.

Why isn't it being means tested? Cost?

Read the thread. Both of those questions have been thoroughly discussed.

Exactly. We are all either pensioners or pensioners-in-waiting (if we are lucky enough to make it to that age).