What are all pensioners getting another £300 this winter??

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They are amongst the richest people in the country, yes there are poor pensioners but a lot of them are way richer than anyone else.

£300 more for energy, none of the old people I know need this, they all have more money than their children.

Just because they vote, that is the only reason they can be doing this.

Also cant belive no child benefit to many parents now or 3-4th child but rich over 65s need even more throwing their way? FFS

Great minds think alike. I think some are not realising that these same pensioners are providing a lot of unpaid care to grandchildren and disabled children as well. One of my neighbours is 86 and cares for her 53yr old disabled son. So she has additional costs. My next door neighbour takes care of five grandchildren- it was three school age but they’ve just added newborn twins. They need a warm home for sure!

State pension doesn’t really take into account the extra costs that some pensioners shoulder with unpaid care commitments they have. £300 for utility bills is a drop in the ocean and I think it would be a waste of money to means test it.

What do you mean they’re not paying tax? Are you saying they are illegally evading tax? How so?

Fair enough, but can you provide the details of the contributions and eligibility for those countries that pay a better pension than the UK, or a link to details?

You've really brought into the brainwashing haven't you? 'Pensioners are among the richest people in the country... ' 🙄

I’d be very surprised if the state pension even exists when I’m old tbh

I am retired, I have my state pension and a small NHS pension and I pay income tax, full council tax and of course like all of us VAT on anything new I buy. Last winter was a real struggle, I was frequently cold, it cost me well over £200 a month to run the heating for an hour am and an hour pm from December though to March. I wore thermals, a hat and fingerless gloves in the house and had a heated throw which was a godsend. I manage, but have been hit hard by the increases in food and energy costs as have so many others. So why am I not a "wealthy pensioner"? Well, money was very tight when I was bringing up my child by myself, paying a mortgage and all the other bills by myself so I could only start saving much later in life. I put a bit by but am now having to dip into that just to get by. I had some grim and depressing days last Winter even with fuel allowance and the monthly top up. When I get the £300 I will be paying it straight over to Octopus, and maybe allowing myself an extra hours heating at the weekend. For perspective I also feel for young families and indeed anyone else who is being battered by cost of living. We need radical change in this country.

Stop with the judgement!
A sweeping comment,there are poor pensioners....yes there are thousands trying to live by choosing between eating and paying bills.
You are horribly out of order with your post.

People do understand that pensions are taxed as income?

It should be means tested, I agree op.
What you really mean is that they vote Tory. Statistically you are absolutely correct and of course our sleazy government know this very well.

3rd and 4th children are a luxury you choose if you can afford to have them. Getting old isn’t optional.

The problem is that is a percentage of people who voted, is there anywhere that shows numbers? I have looked but I can't see anything. Or how many vote? I know 80 and 90 year olds who don't, disabled and don't want to vote by post. So although 67% of over 70s who voted, voted Conservative that doesn't really tell us how significant that is, it might be that fewer over 70s voted Conservative than under 70s. In fact isn't that likely given the population of 18 to 69 year olds must be more than the over 70s?

I might be wrong, I'm not great at statistics.

I’m willing to bet a hell of a lot of PPs do not understand that, no.

My parents definitely need every penny, my Mum still works a few hours she’s 78. My in laws are rich and don’t need it but take it. It’s mad

Millions of pensioners live in relative poverty. Just because you don't know any, it doesn't mean they don't exist.

Anybody in the UK right now aged 60+ has no valid reason whatsoever for being classed as 'poor' and requiring any form of state welfare.

Would you like to explain this to my 88yo mother? Trained SRCN, and worked until she was 78. On the old state pension scheme, because of her age, she receives £156 pw plus pension credit to bring her up to the standard pension rate. She gets by, but the winter fuel credit does alleviate her worries about putting on the heating if the temperature drops.

By the way, only the oldest pensioners (over 75) still get free TV licenses and only if they get pension credits. The rest continue to pay like everyone else.

People used to say that when I was starting work in the 60s.

@Judashascomeintosomemoney once youre over a certain age you dont pay NI

At age 67 you save 12.5% when working compered to person age 18-65

So any work anyone does after age 66 is worth more

My Dad is 67 and is self employed on around £100k pa works FT he donates this gvmt money says its insulting and should start at age 80? Loqds of people working now 65-75.

www.which.co.uk/money/tax/income-tax/age-related-tax-allowance-aAFyD2J3QbkY

If they’re ‘rich’ they’ll be paying income tax, or dividend tax, or corporation tax, or VAT, or whatever other tax, as appropriate, at exactly the same rate that you are…

I'm still paying tax, only recently retired and it was NI that stopped. I think it stops when you hit pension age which has varied over the last few years.

Sorry I posted before I saw your post.

Hmm pt

Well part of that is probably because we tend to know the people who live in our neighbourhood who tend to be in similar financial health as ourselves. So the pensioners you know will by and large have an income close to your income as a FT worker, and if a family, FT dual income household.

Another part of why you may not know pensioners who desperately “need” £300 for heat is that they tend to not survive the winter. Around 8,000 die every year due to inability to afford heating. 8,000 a year, every year. Add that to other deaths only contributed to by lack of heating rather than directly caused by it and really the needy pensioner doesn’t have a very good life expectancy.

It happens because many people who save money by not putting on the heat when younger mistakenly think they can get away with it as they age. What might make you shiver under a duvet and feel uncomfortable as a 50yr old can kill you as a 70yr old.

I honestly think that in a civilised country we’d ensure no cold homes in the winter.

@TheThinkingGoblin And there was me thinking we had the triple lock.

This is a vile thread no doubt set up by the Tory party, who have admitted to posting threads on Mumsnet using aliases.

It should be means tested