What are all pensioners getting another £300 this winter??

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They are amongst the richest people in the country, yes there are poor pensioners but a lot of them are way richer than anyone else.

£300 more for energy, none of the old people I know need this, they all have more money than their children.

Just because they vote, that is the only reason they can be doing this.

So why do the vast majority of people seeking asylum actually "rock up" elsewhere?

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Ahh...Godwins law strikes again. How quaint.

GOD, a nastier tread I have never seen.

You didn't need a letter! It was all over the media for months, if not years. Government leaflets about it were in libraries, hospitals, GP surgeries and other public organisation buildings. Have you been living under a rock? A government can't write to everyone every time there's a change in the law/rules can they? They didn't write to me when they changed the personal tax allowance, nor the NIC thresholds, nor when road fund licence rules changed. There's a basic expectation that citizens take at least some simple steps to keep themselves informed as to what's going on around them! It's called radio, newspapers, TV programmes, news channels on the internet, etc. The changes weren't a secret - there was a lot of controversy about them, lots of TV debates, lots of reports on TV news programmes, lots of arguments in Parliament, etc.

So why didn't they get "shipped back" before Brexit then???

I find the animosity toward the elderly on MN is disgusting!
And towards immigrants, asylum seekers, refugees, ‘other’ benefit claimants, disabled people….
Which just goes to show what an absolutely sterling job the Tory party have done of making sure everyone is at each others throats instead of blaming those who are actually responsible.

@Kazzyhoward - they did in many cases. However, the rate of decisions being made collapsed after Brexit

I think it should be means tested. My pensioner in laws who both retired with bankers pension and who go on multiple holidays a year, shop in Waitrose, wear designer clothes etc absolutely do not need this! My pension grandparents who live in a council house and count the pennies really, really do. I definitely agree with supporting the most vulnerable, but you can’t make a sweeping generalisation that all pensioners are hard up enough to need it!

My mum is not rich and she is very grateful for it.

Rich pensioners pay tax, so the money goes back anyway.

Getting it on a second home is infra dig though.

Yet MNHQ lets it run and run...I sometimes wonder if they start these threads themselves to get a bit of traffic when things are slow. These sort of toxic threads are so often started by someone with little posting history who barely bothers to come back to the thread.

The fuel allowance is tax free, so, no, they don't pay tax on it!

I was living abroad actually and NO I DID NOT KNOW and neither did many others.

I only knew shortly before the change and what exactly was I meant to do then? Wave a magic wand and make everything ok?

Pretty sure too that there was NOT loads of newspaper articles, radio shows, tv items etc 20 years before the change happened. Maybe shortly before but not years before

I've seen some vile comments about "boomers" and older people in general on MN in recent months but this thread takes the biscuit. It's gobsmacking. These are your parents, grandparents you're talking about.

The thing is, it doesn’t just cost more initially, it would cost more money than giving it to all pensioners every single year we means tested it.

Cutting off taxpayers nose to spite their faces.

Much more efficient to take a blanket approach.

Means testing for benefits that pay out far more than this are means tested because it saves money.

There are any other number of benefits that are also automatic because of the means testing costing to much, pro rata.

It really isn't hard to understand the difference.

oh give over, the thread is not that long for you to quote Godwins Law, your supercilious attitude doesn’t impress.

Well, you don't get the winter fuel allowance on second homes, so nothing infra dig going on.

Ahh, we see how 'educated' you are now....
Under the dublin agreement we
retuned 510 in 2015, 362 in 2016, and 314 in 2017, that is ignoring that Brexit was not cut down political lines, as if you was 'educated' you would know... (cough, cough life long lexiteer being LO)

As one of the better off older people because I paid into an occupational pension, I agree with means testing being applied. It should be across the board - like high earning young parents' childcare costs, prescriptions, care etc.
If you think the government are doing this because older people are more likely to vote then the moral of the tale is for more young people to become more involved with politics and start voting.

It is hard for some who seem to struggle with the concept.

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They did.

The difference is that fewer small boats came because they knew they would get sent back to EU country of entry legally speaking. Also the smaller number of cases was easier to administer in terms of asylum/refugee claims.

With Brexit, the people smugglers saw a chance to exploit the problem.

So naturally they are sending wave after wave of people in small boats (lots of $$$ for them) knowing they cannot be shipped back to the country of entry. This has then created an enormous administrative bottleneck which ia obviously causing problems.

I don't think Godwin's law requires a thread/discussion to be any specified length?

Interesting you say that about prescriptions. In Scotland and Wales all prescriptions are free.

Are you jealous OP? What a shit-stirring thread. Just written to cause a froth.

Also reminds me of just how ageist MN is.