What are all pensioners getting another £300 this winter??

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They are amongst the richest people in the country, yes there are poor pensioners but a lot of them are way richer than anyone else.

£300 more for energy, none of the old people I know need this, they all have more money than their children.

Just because they vote, that is the only reason they can be doing this.

DH and I got £750 last winter, plus the Warm Home Discount.
I don't know where you get the £300 from.

Do you know what Waspi means? I didn't get a nice generous pension at a much younger age.
I have never used my buspass, (buses are not good where I am), I do agree about paying NI though.

And not all "poor" pensioners are poor, a lot have undeclared money.

Same. I find OP's goady post absolutely disgusting tbqh.

I find the animosity toward the elderly on MN is disgusting! Those who think that pensioners don't deserve enough money to keep themselves warm should be ashamed of themselves, or would you rather they just shrivel up and die? OK, there are pensioners that have plenty of money, but there are also young people that have plenty of money, how many on here seem to earn over £100k p.a? We are all different, and I bet those of you who are against this payment, are the first to put out their hand when a bit of extra help is offered to them. I simply can't believe how many younger people have the idea that the older people in our society haven't paid in their fair share. The majority of these people have worked and contributed just as much as you have, but for years longer, and if they do still have extra money coming in over and above their pensions, as another poster said, they pay tax on it, so please stop being so bloody vile!

So basically you have no facts whatsoever to back up your "view".

Cool. About par for the course for you folks.

State pension is labelled a benefit for the purposes of rooting it within the social security framework as a scheme paid out of monies in the national insurance fund.
The word benefit is not used in a comparable way to other benefits which depend on many factors that may change. Once in receipt of state pension only inflation will alter the amount paid out to the recipient. It’s not pensioners faults that taxes received now pay for state pension. Stop being so patronising.

Government figures show the average single pensioner's income was £12792 per year, earlier this year. How does that make most pensioners rich? Does the OP live on this amount. I bet her income is higher. This is well below minimum wage.
There is pension credit but many pensioners get just over that which stops them getting any means tested benefits.

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I'd be surprised if means testing for this benefit would be cost efficient given what it would take to implement.

Well they clearly decided it was "cost effective" to means test child benefit for those earning over £50k!

Yep, mine too so they gave the equivalent money to the local food banks.

Who are these illegals who have access to full benefits?

Where does it end though? I could say why are all these women getting child benefit when they choose to have children? etc etc? Some of them have barely contributed to the country's economy - they have in fact been a drain on it. It's not pleasant in reverse is it?

You are not wrong, my parents are much wealthier than me, their sons will inherit all. But it would be really bad for those poor pensioners not to get the £300.

I won’t. They’re abusive alcoholics and I cut them off years ago. On the very off chance I’m still in their will I’ll be donating the money to my siblings who still talk to them or charity.

Of course they are liquid.

You can sell or downsize them, or equity release them.

Why is it that assets are taxed differently from income ? Should that be the case ?

Is it sensible that we should subsidise people to hang onto large houses that don't need them, at the expense of younger families that need the space ?

These threads come up so regularly, and are joined in with such vitriol for the elderly, that surely we can be only days away from a thread advocating the introduction of involuntary euthanasia for people who reach retirement age.

Excluding, of course, those who are providing free childcare for their immensely grateful and respectful children’s children.

Well there's a shedload of them not far from me living in a former country hotel and getting free accommodation and money to buy all the food for doing fuck all.

Bitter much?
At least 50% of those receiving it will need it. And it'll be of great use.

Enough with these "woe is me" stories.

Seriously.

As a GROUP, they will havevpaid in less than they will take out.

Thats a FACT. There is no arguing that.

ODFOD

I can assure you many many do need it. I work with pensioners and the tears when the energy bills were increasing would break your heart (if you have one).

How do you all know that 'most' pensioners don't need it?

How about the Govt collecting the monies it should? How about all the money that was misdirected during Covid? How about all the big corporations that can dodge taxes through various schemes?

So you can afford theatres/cinemas/meals but can't afford the bus fare to get there?

Yes that has been shown by the people saying their parents spend it on cruises and luxury holidays......... sadly most aren't decent.

£300 per year per pensioner household is a tiny tiny fraction of the billions of pounds which are given in Child Benefit in this country. And given many pensioners don’t pay tax (because they don’t have enough income!) there is no convenient and cost effective way to means test that tiny tiny fraction without it costing many times the sum given out in a universal payment.

Children are a valuable resource. They’re future tax payers and very badly needed given birth rates are declining. If you ever hope to receive a pension you really ought to thank them for having children

They get £8 a week to spend ffs. They cannot work, being housed in locations miles away in some cases from anything for them to do.