To think people with money would never understand

[Canfeelamozzieflyingaround]

I live in an affluent area, we have a nice, but average house, I’m from a middle class background (I think!) but one parent from a working class background, all very down to earth.
I have a good job, degree educated, but it’s not a well paying job. In the holidays I supplement by doing some childcare/babysitting. I often babysit for wealthy people. Just being in their homes and everything about the way they are and the things they have is so different.
They would have no idea, for example that we live basically month to month and these little nights working for them pay some small bills or afford a small treat for my dc…to them it would be nothing.
Even the things they fill their fridges with and the sun creams and toiletries used (not snooping! Some on tbe coffee table, on the toilet etc)
I don’t know..I always feel less of an adult when I leave and wonder why my life didn’t go like this and theirs did

I'm a qualified teacher. Working class. Working class parents with ordinary jobs, factory work etc.
I left the system years ago. I now do private work. I work with young people and they're being taught by non specialists because they can't fill places. I have ex colleagues who still work in schools who are teaching out of their subject because they can't fill the places. Is that enough information for you?
The friend's children I'm referring to didn't get the jobs through me so no nepotism there.
It really doesn't matter what we say, you feel hard done by. You feel you've had it harder than everyone else and everyone else is wrong.
I guess we'll agree to disagree. One thing we can agree on is that teaching is not what it was. That's why I left.

@Bacon88 Its you who sounds so bitter and out of touch, you’ve been so rude to me on this thread and really sound like you have a chip on your shoulder

@Canfeelamozzieflyingaround

Says you who cannot accept that being a teacher is not the bottom of the pile.

Middle class families are the worst for this kind of thing. Good luck.

I work in private sector and applying for 15 jobs is nothing. One should apply to 15 jobs in a day and for hundreds in total. Getting 3 interviews from 15 applications only is great. So overall it looks like he’s not trying hard enough, sorry. Or judging by his walking out of interviews, he has a personality problem and that’s the issue

OP I knew you were going to say a touristy area, I guessed it might be Spain but I am completely unsurprised it's Portugal.

In addition to all the usual problems of touristy areas and the mismatch between cost of living and wages for public service jobs (see also: Cornwall, Wales, etc) there is that extra layer in Portugal revelry where the investment visas the government is offering has driven up the prices of real estate in some places to the point that I don't know how locals live. I have 4 non-EU friends (this includes British citizens now, yay Brexit) that have bought houses in Portugal as an investment for the visa and rent it out, but as holiday let's and not long term to locals because under the visa rules they have to live in it themselves for a bit of time each year - they're not doing anything wrong and following the rules put in place by the government, but the government needs to take a hard look at whether the way these investment visas are structured are helping or harming.

The irony is that they'd much rather make the investment, get their EU visa and let the house out on a residential lease to a local but that's not the way the rules are structured. So the housing stock dwindles and becomes more expensive for residents making local wages.

Bacon, why doesn't your brother move elsewhere then? My ancestors moved to NE England when it was booming (a very long time ago) and in turn all 3 of my siblings moved because that ceased to be so. My son's friend is doing the ICAEW exams (just finished the last in his third year since university - all 3 years he has been employed in London by one of the biggest accountancy practices; someone with a first from Warwick in maths would be very well placed for those jobs and the partners earn just under £1m a year there this year.

@Cosyblankets the difference between me and you is you are old working class. Teachers are not working class. My parents were working class and you are probs the same age as them. So whilst you were a teacher my dad was an railway worker (after it was privatised) . So teacher vs railway worker is middle class vs working class.

I am an accountant and my husband a factory packer. So what is that. Upper working class household. Your kids are now middle class...

Being working class today is far harder than it was when you upped your self. That's what people cannot accept.

@Justneedagirlname

Haha. He applied to be a maths teacher he can only apply to what is available in that field. Which is limited to the number of schools??

So you would have expected him to waste a day knowing the other candidates mother was the interviewer???

You really think he had a chance at that job??

Delusional as hell to say he had the attitude problem. Haha

They tried to stop him leaving and said we need you so we can give it to them
Ok love
Course they did

Too many middle class people on here with zero perspective. Phrases like one should. Who the heck talks like that??

You either have to be old enough to be my mother or really posh to speak that way.

Yet you all think you are poor struggling to make ends meet longing for a life like the "rich" people. Well loves you are rich!!

Maybe "one should" spent time reflecting on the hardships others are facing.??

@Cosyblankets

Well why stop him from leaving then. They would of just let him go. They argued for a bit then admitted she was the interviewers daughter. It was like the hr/ admin girl who told him as he was leaving. She was really apologetic but when you call them out unless they lie what else are they going to say?? He does have a 1st maths degree so hes not an idiot!!

You think he had a chance at that job??

I think the people with money who understand least of all are the working class done good bootstrap wealthy.
So tired of the I can do it so could you attitude that inevitably appears.
The chances of raising oneself from a disadvantaged WC background to real wealth is very small. For one thing, jobs that create significant wealth are vastly outnumbered by low paying ones, and there's simply not enough of the former to go round.
Without the boost from family privilege, to become wealthy, you need to be either highly intelligent with academic drive and opportunity to utilise it; or extremely skilled in something, even if that's only talking the talk.
Joe and Joanna Average will not have these traits. Because they are average, so will live and die having had middling jobs and if they're lucky, just enough to get by. Meanwhile their equally mediocre contemporaries from wealthy backgrounds will be building on pre existing advantages.
If you have gone from rags to riches, I applaud you. You have obviously got something about you that is extremely marketable which meant you could trade your hard work for a good price. Unfortunately you will be the exception rather than the norm.

I do think it's hard for people who have been wealthy for a long time / always, to understand cash flow problems, but then again why would they get it? You just need to spell it out if it's not something they have experience of.

Those wealthy people may have other problems like health issues that a healthy person wouldn't 'get' either. No one gets every single hardship other people are going through, it's generally impossible to unless you've been through it yourself.

he needs to apply in other parts of the country and stop moaning about 65 miles radius, yes

also yes it is rude to walk out of an interview like that. I am very sceptical btw that he really knew last names of people interviewing with him - noone ever knows who other candidates are? and that people straight out admitted that he is a filler candidate. But even if this is all true he should have graciously finished the interview and not walk out ib a huff given he was already there.
he is actually not owed a job so behaving like he is (why, because he’s got a first? This alone doesn’t make him good teacher, good employee or good colleague) smacks of huge entitlement and will put off the employers.
and people with connections can be better candidates than him, despite not having a first - maybe they know how to to be a good teacher/colleague/direct report etc

I’m totally sceptical he is a maths teacher! If he was wanting what was the NQT year (now 2 years) with a 1st in maths from Warwick, any school would bite your hand off. Assuming you had passed your PGCE of course! Did he? The schools you went to for that would almost certainly have been interested. As for maths jobs being in the south. Beggars belief.

@5128gap I completely agree. Unfortunately MN seems full of these types who say that they had a heroin addict mum, studied Chaucer in candlelight as there was no electric and went to a brilliant university, became a millionaire despite no support. But the statistics show this is rare.
I went to a dirt poor primary school in a rough area. Hardly anyone has 'pulled themselves up by their bootstraps' it's very much history repeating itself for most people, no matter what their aptitude. I think the best achievement was someone going to Oxford but they still ended up managing a department store close to where we grew up. Ambition isn't enough for most. You have to have role models, connections, the right accent, cultural knowledge. So many times I've felt like a complete imposter in places, rooms where it was quite clear that most people did not grow up around drug addicts, people in prison, absent dads, teenage mums, abuse, neglect, generation after generation of trauma and poverty. It stays with you.

@Xiaoxiong 100%! Finally someone who understands it and knows what I’m talking about and why it’s such an issue.

@Justneedagirlname

Well it's alright for you to say graciously finish the interview. with your one should phase you are clearly very middle class. My brothers had an agency job in a factory so he only got paid when he worked (zero hours contracts) so whilst he was trying to get teaching jobs he worked to get money as my parent cant fund us. He did supply work as well so yeah graciously finish the interview and not get paid for a days work???

Where does "one" get the money from to go to all these interviews all over the country?? Its £300 to go to London and £30 to our nearest city? I think you fail to understand how people with no accumulate wealth cannot get to these interviews especially when your parents cannot fund you. I left school at 18 because of it and did a £2.30 an hour apprentice...

Out of touched again.

Finally yes he was entitled to a job as he did a school direct that said you are guaranteed a job if you pass the course but they basically went back on the contract and went what you going to do sue us??. We have no wealth to challenge the system. Can you not see this!!

The working class in this country are treated like shit. You are litteraly the microcosm of this post. "Rich" people with money do not what it is like. Problem is it's the rich people moaning!

@TizerorFizz

I live in poor farming village in Cheshire. Our local high school has a pass rate of 35% of kids get 5 GCSEs. Our nearest town is a former industrial town. The school has 2 maths teachers?? They still work there...

What is wrong with people that they actually think it is easy for working class kids to get a job. Honestly there are articles about it. White working class boys have very poor career outcomes. It's a fact.

@TizerorFizz

To add it is highly offensive to say he hasn't got a degree or a PGCE. There are 1000s of "tony blairs children" who were told to do well at school. Get a 1st from a top uni. Do a PGCE or get a grad scheme and you will be socially moved up from working class. Can you not see that you have kids serving you coffee with first class degrees?? If it was easy why are so many like shelf stacking and on min wage? We have zero social mobility in this country anymore.

Yes he did get a PGCE that was at keele though a school direct where they guarantee a job but they oversubscribed the places and told the poorer kids what you going to do about it!!!

My best friend is a trained science teacher as well and she gave up trying to get a perm job after 3 years. She had a mat cover in a school. She got a 1st in chemistry from Keele and did a PGCE there too. She now works in Tesco. Loads of kids do it and end up with nothing.

Where have you been for the last 10 years.??

@TizerorFizz

You have really annoyed me how out of touch you are and saying you do not believe me. Look around you love. Loads of people have 1st from a top uni. There is not enough good jobs to go round.

I have another brother who did a degree and he did move for a job on a grad scheme. He is doing well. So from nothing to have 1 out of 3 kids to "make" it is good going. It really doesnt work out for everyone. How is that hard for you to get?? I moved for a job but ended up back in my area as wages didnt pay my rent as rents were higher. Starting teacher salaries were like 24k. Min wage for under 25s was like 16k at the time. Bit of difference! As an apprentice it was 7k. So yeah not easy to just move for all these "top" jobs...

I can't believe the bitterness emanating from the same poster over and over in this thread. Post after post after post of bile. They must be so unhappy with themselves.

@SofiaSoFar

Says you love. You love a good dig and shit stir.

I am going to reply to people saying you must not have this and that then as its easy to get a job. The whole point is about rich people not understanding.

Sorry I did not realise mums net was full of middle class rich people who think they are poor. Ffs

Look. Mums net is full of the middle classes that some how think they are struggling and at the bottom of the spectrum. They wont accept that they are not.

Then to add insult to it say it is easy to get there to people who are clearly more struggling than you. I only joined this thread as I was genuinely shocked by the lack of perspective among people I see as well off.

To summarise. You lot are "rich", well off, middle class, have good jobs, nice homes and yet you think you are not??

I am going to leave you all to wallo in your middle class eco chamber..

"Boohoo I am a teacher and i am really poor"

He should have done what my DC did and what so many do - studied hundreds of miles from 'home', had 2 one year teaching contracts and then got a f/t permanent post where they wanted to be. All on their own merit. I know there's a lot of nepotism in teaching but there are ways and means.

Why couldn't he go and teach say in Dubai to get experience?