Men in Comedy and Transgender People

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66534454

Just been reading about Graham Linehan getting cancelled due to his opinions in the trans debate. At work, I listen to podcasts everyday day and a lot of these are UK or USA comedy podcast. It strikes me that so many of these comedians have an almost obsessive interest in the subject and bring it into every interview. I enjoy listening to these and I love GL’s work like Father Ted. I just don’t understand why these (mostly men) see it as such a main issue and keep going on about it. IRL I see the odd trans person and there are a couple of non-binary students that are at my children’s school. I may have had a discussion with people about trans a few times in the past five years. In my experience people have a passing interest but the experience of the people on these podcasts suggests that it is the most important issue. AIBU to think that most people are not bothered if a man wants to be known as she/her and transition? I just wonder why people like GL want to hold this particular issue up as a beacon for free speech.

They are all MEN though. And men are statistically more of a risk to women than women are. So need to stay the fuck out of women's spaces.

Those of you that don't get why this is such an issue, I implore you to watch the testimony of Riley Gaines and Paula Scanlan.

How they were coerced and forced to share a changing room with an intact male who sometimes had an erection.

How they were offered counselling, essentially conversion therapy to overcome their gut feelings and their boundaries.

Utterly shocking the abuse that is happening to females all over the world in the name of trans rights.

Fucking hell, did you really just type that out loud?

There are systems in place (dbs checks etc.) To prevent people working as nurses when they have a history which makes that inappropriate. Obviously not a fool proof one but the offending rate would be higher without those systems. Are you saying we need a similar system in place everytime a male wants to enter female spaces?

Can you tell us why we need services segregated by gender and how we accommodate the 100 ish genders in such a system?

By not discriminating by gender. Not every trans woman is a sexual predator, not every nurse is a murderer. DBS picks up very limited information, regardless of who it is.

yes, more men commit sexual and violent crimes, but what % trans women commit these crimes. You’ve more chance of your friendly next door neighbour being the predator than someone who endures ridicule and exclusion for what their body and mind are telling them.

I just don't want any male, whatever his gender presentation in a single sex space.

I have been raped by a male, a male who seemed perfectly lovely to most everyone he met. He wasn't transgender but he was male.

The only way I feel safe from rape in a single sex space is by knowing that no person in possession of a penis is allowed to be in there.

Why should I care about a male persons gender more than I care about my own safety?

So you want entirety mixed spaces? No ladies and mens (which only accommodate 2 of the tens of genders)? Even in prisons? So all mixed sex wings in all prisons? Seems extremist and puts women at risk but it is at least a coherent position.

To answer your question, evidence suggests males of whatever gender have the same offending patterns. So a trans identified male is no less likely to assault than any man. The issue is, of course, also not just about assault. Dignity also matters to some people.

Personally, I love the blind acceptance of these "non-binary" students at the school. As if that is completely rational and requires no further explanation and no opportunity for confusion.

But the same poster just can't understand why some men are worried about the implications of allowing males into female spaces.

This.

Can we dispense with the lie that "trans women have been using your spaces forever!" No they fucking haven't, in any number. Most "trans women" are quite obviously recognisable as their biological sex, and until the last few years I had never encountered one in a female space intended for my safety, privacy and dignity. And I wouldn't have been happy if I had.

Also, I care more about my lovely female friends than your "lovely trans woman friends". So manipulative appeals to female socialisation are wasted on me.

Not every trans woman is a sexual predator

Any male who uses a female space is violating women's boundaries. That is a red flag behaviour, which many women find threatening.

Excellent post. All of this.

So when lesbians are attacked, foxed, vilified, and called transphobic and ‘sexual racists’ for not wanting to have sex with Transwomen with fully intact male genitalia - this is a-ok then?

yes, more men commit sexual and violent crimes, but what % trans women commit these crimes

98%+ of ALL sex offences are committed by men. Most victims are female.
Only a small % of men as a sex class commit these crimes.
According to prison stats the % of sex offenders claiming to be women is higher than that of the general population.
They are NO LESS of a potential threat than any other man. The common denominator here is their SEX.

Some spaces are segregated by SEX because we don't know which men are the threat so the only sane solution is FEMALE only spaces.

The ridiculous argument that only 'some' transwomen are a threat, so the risk is small, is basically saying that any women and children hurt by them are just collateral damage for allowing male feelings to take priority over female safety.

The reasons we have single SEX spaces don't magically disappear because some men say they are women.

The choice is either all men stay out or you let all men in, because there is no way to legally separate the types of men, as the only thing they have to do if confronted is claim to be trans.

And if you let them in, you have to remove the legal right for us to ever have anything female only ever again, fucking over half the population to appease a tiny % of men. Do you even understand the consequences of that? I doubt you've ever given it a second thought.

By not discriminating by gender

We're not, we are legally allowed to discriminate against all men, on the basis of SEX, in order to provide safety, privacy and dignity to women in certain circumstances.
Like toilets, changing rooms, sports etc.

No one gives a fuck about anyone's claimed 'gender' because that's meaningless unless you believe in gender ideology.

Doxxed, not foxed.

It actually boggles the mind that people can’t get their head around this.

• TW are biologically male - most are still intact.
• GC people are not saying that TW are a threat per se, but as a sex class, men are statistically a significant threat to women.
• Hence we don’t want any men in female spaces. Even pretty ones in dresses.
• And hence conversely why we are not concerned about TM.

What is so outrageous about that? It’s basic protection, dignity and privacy for women and girls who are the more vulnerable group. Why is that anti-trans?

People who support men blithely using women’s safe spaces are promoting spiteful misogyny.

I, and many, (most?), other women, don't even want the decent, kind, trustworthy men in our spaces.
1, because sometimes we only want to be around other females fir reasons of privacy and dignify, safety doesn't apply with these men we know.
2, just because I/you know and tryst them, other women don't and consent is not transferable.
3, women of certain religions can't be around men in some circumstances.

Breaking these boundaries immediately means the man doing it is no longer a decent man.
No transwomen involved in that at all.

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According to prison stats the % of sex offenders claiming to be women is higher than that of the general population.

I think it's almost five times the rate of general incarcerated criminals. 48% of transw in British prisons are there for sexual and violent offences against women and children.

But hey! Some people have lovely, fluffy trans friends, who would never do anything awful!

So best to let them crack on and get changed with young girls, eh?

"Consent is not transferable" . That's a wonderful phrase, I shall make a point of using it.

It is isn't it?
I can't take credit, I read it on here and immediately nodded.
If other women want to share with men, then fine, go into the men's loos or campaign for third spaces and use them.
Do not try and welcome them into the female facilities where they are not wanted by the majority.

I think this is gaslighting, because I see that the obsession is coming from those who are absolutely desperate to silence people who speak out on womens rights. Speaking about womens rights seems to send some people into a tailspin, so much so that they name-call the person and cancel them. That, is the definition of obsessed.

It is strange they are so obsessed with that and not speaking out about things like gender pay gap, lack of childcare, appalling state of social care , household inequality, domestic abuse, misogyny in Family Court\ CAFCASS.

Almost like.They have no interest in the harm caused by straight men.

Since we have Let Women Speak, and Women Won't Wheesht, which of course the TRA's turn up to, to drown us out, use violence etc, why don't they hold their own speaking events?
Talk about what is happening to them, tell us about the genocide, and how they are terrified to leave their homes, I'd go along to listen.
I can't think why they don't.

@Ladybrrrd The old MYTH that transwomen have accessed our spaces for 'years' is simply just not true. It's a lie. We all know the difference between a man and a woman, and we'd know if they had.

Evidence proves that transwomen commit offences at a much higher rate than natal men. Just the last couple of days ago, a transperson has been charged with abusing 14 year old children, Stephanie Hayden. Before that, another transwoman who assaulted a 10 year old in the female toilets. How many is enough for you, to stop making excuses for men assaulting girls and women? Give us a number where you will finally acknowledge the risk is real. Me? ONE is ONE TOO MANY.

Where is the 'rise in attacks on trans people'? There have been none. In fact, you're lying. There has been a rise in attacks on women by trans activists. Women punched and assaulted because they were told to 'punch all terfs'.

If any venue doesn't want to be associated with someone that defends women and girls basic human rights, then that says they are hateful and evil and if you agree with them, that makes you a monster too.

If it was an innocuous issue as your op suggests it is why would it be so censorious to say you don't believe that a man declaring himself to be a women gives him the right to women's single.sex spaces, sports or intimate safe spaces like rape crisis centres or prisons, to demand intimate care be provided on a single sex basis or that children should not be medicated as young as 9 on to a path of irreparable bodily change?