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Sam Asghari Long Con

121 replies

SuperBurgers · 17/08/2023 07:27

Well, well, well, no one saw that coming, but lets give it to the man, he really committed to the long con!

Or AIBU??

OP posts:
huggiess · 17/08/2023 16:26

Will Sam even be entitled to anything in a divorce ? The marriage was so short, in the uk with such a short marriage don't you keep the assets you came into the marriage with ? I don't know how it works on the us

ballsdeep · 17/08/2023 16:36

Igotjelly · 17/08/2023 14:19

Unfortunately it feels as though this is all heading towards a very tragic conclusion, at which point the press and everyone else will wring their hands about how sad it is and how she was failed, once again spectacularly failing to recognise their part in it.

Sam is just another in a very long line of men abusing and grifting off of vulnerable women.

I agree. I was just going to say this but couldn’t word it properly.

GG1986 · 17/08/2023 16:39

I also agree that unless she is protected Britney will end up in an early grave which is devastating.

Fancylike · 17/08/2023 17:00

I agree with @FartSock5000’s nuanced view

ooooohnooooo · 17/08/2023 17:13

huggiess · 17/08/2023 15:42

Amanda Bynes was (still is?) in a conservatorship and her parents haven't done to her what Britney's dad has done to her...
She literally disappeared and not much was heard from her for a very long time. She was looked after.
Britney was performing at the VMA'S not long after her breakdown, clearly not herself !!

Amanda Bynes came out of hers not long after Britney, and has been Sectioned (or 5150'd in the US) twice since! She's also very unwell. For her though, she seems to have more insight that Britney - she called the police herself when she was walking around nude at night on a bridge somewhere and asked for their help.

topnoddy · 17/08/2023 17:21

I tend to see Britney as a product to be sold rather than a person .

She's been on the Disney since she was pretty young and then the pop tart business . She's never ever going to be normal in anyway shape or form

ooooohnooooo · 17/08/2023 17:29

@Sharknails I'll have a look. I read the actual court documents a while ago. The ex-bodyguard testified in 2007, and that was when she lost custody of her children entirely for a while after being branded a 'frequent, habitual drug user'. He was then supposed to testify a second time but was prevented from doing so and then was mostly just written off as a 'disgruntled ex-employee'. There's a ton of news articles from the time if you search 'Tony Barretto'

Thing is, many of the behaviours he described back in 2007 were pretty much the ones she's displaying now. So perhaps not just a disgruntled ex-employee. He also claimed in the court documents that she would discipline her eldest child (4-ish years old at the time) with a belt and was cruel to him, favouring her younger son. I'll see what I can find, it's all there somewhere.

RedSkiesandAllies · 17/08/2023 17:29

It was clear he was yet another to ride on the gravy train of Britney.

I don't see a happy ending for her. All very sad.

What I struggle to understand though, is why can't anyone in her life get her the help she clearly needs.

Dolores87 · 17/08/2023 17:32

FriendsDrinkBook · 17/08/2023 14:24

I think we have to be careful not to infantilize Britney Spears , she's a mother of 2 in her 40s. Shee needs to sort herself out for the sake of her children , if not for herself. I'm sure many of us have suffered due to having an addict for a parent and children are having to watch this play out in public , it must be unbearable for them.

She is really mentally ill. Simple to say "she needs to sort herself out" but in reality that might not be something she can just decide to do.

ooooohnooooo · 17/08/2023 17:32

Oh no sorry the hitting the child with a belt allegation in court came from another ex-bodyguard around the same time. His name was Fernando Flores. Another 'disgruntled ex-employee', apparently, He reported her to the US version of Social Services.

She's a very very troubled woman.

thebellagio · 17/08/2023 17:45

I think Jayden confirmed that she treated the boys differently when he sold his story to the press through Kevin

Schnitzelvonkrummm · 17/08/2023 19:29

thebellagio · 17/08/2023 17:45

I think Jayden confirmed that she treated the boys differently when he sold his story to the press through Kevin

Yeah but that whole thing did seem suss and the clips of her kids they did seem quite bratty

thebellagio · 17/08/2023 19:32

I agree @Schnitzelvonkrummm i don’t think the boys sounded hugely respectful to her in that video clip. It’s hard to say when it’s taken out of context

blankittyblank · 17/08/2023 19:43

Gazelda · 17/08/2023 14:59

When she did the duet with Elton, I thought he'd take her under his wing as he has done with other celebs who've been having troubles.

Maybe that was naive. I hope one of her lawyers in the conservativeship case will be quietly reaching out to her.

I doubt they even met. I suspect it was all done remotely.

huggiess · 17/08/2023 19:46

Tmz now reporting Sam is saying Britney gave him a black eye and had a fascination with knives. Didn't one of her boys say she had a knife on her in his bedroom or something ?
Hard to believe why a young lad would lie about something like that but also who knows what's true in this mess !
I feel sorry for Britney because she's unwell, not crazy like the media are starting to make her out to be again

Schnitzelvonkrummm · 17/08/2023 19:58

thebellagio · 17/08/2023 19:32

I agree @Schnitzelvonkrummm i don’t think the boys sounded hugely respectful to her in that video clip. It’s hard to say when it’s taken out of context

It’s very difficult to say, because it sounds like they’ve been manipulated by their dad too. And the reports she beat them with a belt at 4 from the old body guard? Hmm that seems suss too, funny how he did the sexual harassment suit first and when that wasn’t taken seriously came out with child abuse, surely you lead with that, and that’s something kfed wouldn’t allow either.

i don’t think she’s mother of the year but also who are her kids to demand she stops posting on social media. I understand it’s embarrassing because she’s not as put together as Kim (which is sort of problematic- that now she’s not a bastion of sex appeal she can’t be sexual) and probably came across to her as another male voice telling her what she can’t do.

YouveGotAFastCar · 17/08/2023 20:33

What I struggle to understand though, is why can't anyone in her life get her the help she clearly needs.

How?

The conservatorship she was under didn't work; and she should never really have been under the care of her father - but generally, people's fathers look out for them. Amanda Bynes was also in a conservatorship under the care of her parents, and look how differently that turned out.

But both are troubled. Bynes has bipolar; and as is typical for the condition, lashes out at the person and people who "control" her. Fortunately for Bynes, she also has periods between relapses where she is stable, and she can apologise, and she has insight into her own decline, where she can get help. I suspect Britney does not get many of those.

My mum had bipolar. She did a lot of what Britney does; albeit thankfully not as publicly, as she died before social media was as big, and she's obviously not famous. She bounced between home and a mental hospital for my childhood; until she died. I often saw her when she was restrained; she wasn't allowed to make any decisions herself. The "highlights" of our time there was when she was allowed into a very secure garden area.

Bipolar is a hell of a beast. Lithium and other drugs can massively help; but bipolar's MO is that you don't believe you have it, or that you need help; and take yourself off the drugs. You strongly believe it's someone else's fault, they've tricked you, they're taking advantage. That must be even harder if it's more severe, AND people are actually taking advantage of you.

Free Britney gave her freedom vs her Dad, but she's lost a lot too. Her marriage - and they genuinely seemed fond of each other. Her relationship with her sons. Allegedly meeting Elton; and her appearance at Glastonbury.

It's so nuanced. It's almost impossible to keep someone safe who doesn't want to engage. In my mum's case, she had many children and was taken to court to try and force sterilisation. It's not clean-cut for anyone. It must be a million times harder with a couple of million experts thinking they know best because they loved her in the 90s.

EmpressSisi · 17/08/2023 20:44

TMZ are claiming that he’s told people she was violent towards him and attacked him when he was asleep. They even found photos of him with bruises and what appear to be bite marks.

This is going to get really messy and really nasty really fast.

thebellagio · 17/08/2023 20:46

Thank you for that insight @YouveGotAFastCar such a nuanced post.

I don’t think Brit will ever truly be happy in her own skin. simply because she’s never been allowed to be.

It’s awful to see how often she posts on insta how she would feel better if she just lost 5lb (and variations of) because her family spent her whole life telling her that her worth was based on her body shape. They’ve all been open about how toxic her parents marriage was so is it any wonder that she doesn’t know herself what a healthy and happy relationship should be?

there’s stuff come out now saying she punched Sam repeatedly and how she had a fascination with knives which is something that JamieLynn also said a while back.

SpaceRaiders · 17/08/2023 20:46

She shouldn’t have married him, with her level of wealth she shouldn’t be marrying anyone. Very predictable unfortunately.

ballsdeep · 19/08/2023 07:37

Hee instagram post this morning is worrying. She doesn’t look well.

Mariposa123 · 19/08/2023 08:38

What’s her relationship with her sister like? She always seemed more ‘normal’ and had her own level of fame so seemed like she could relate more to her. I know they were close at one point.

her Instagram is worrying, regardless of who is controlling it.

SalmonEile · 19/08/2023 08:55

Mariposa123 · 19/08/2023 08:38

What’s her relationship with her sister like? She always seemed more ‘normal’ and had her own level of fame so seemed like she could relate more to her. I know they were close at one point.

her Instagram is worrying, regardless of who is controlling it.

Britney had some fairly harsh words for Jamie Lynn after Jamie brought out her book - which was understandable
but in some of her posts she would talk about their mother making Jamie Lynn special milkshakes but not her and seemed bitter that Jamie Lynn got her own Tv show
how Jamie Lynn should’ve been whipped by their mother and stuff like this.
She also made comments about the treatment she got from her father and how would it feel if it was Maddie or Ivy (JLs young daughters)
the feeling I got was that Britney feels life has been very unfair to her and lashes out.
I think she holds a lot of resentment towards her sister even without the tell all book

yellowsmileyface · 19/08/2023 09:56

ballsdeep · 19/08/2023 07:37

Hee instagram post this morning is worrying. She doesn’t look well.

There was something very flippant about the post. A bit odd to break the silence and acknowledge the divorce with one of her usual vids of her dancing about.

Also found it interesting how a post about the divorce still ended up speaking more about the conservatorship.

Also... "my instagram may seem perfect". I mean, not really. Her instagram is deeply troubling!

I find it hard sometimes not to be one of those annoying fans who overanalyses her posts because there's often a lot to unpack.

thebellagio · 19/08/2023 10:11

I don’t think anyone anywhere would say she projects a perfect image on instagram!!! so that was definitely an odd response.

she seems to blame her sister for not getting her out of the conservatorship even when JL shared texts saying how shady her old lawyer had been. What’s the relationship like with her brother?