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Sam Asghari Long Con

121 replies

SuperBurgers · 17/08/2023 07:27

Well, well, well, no one saw that coming, but lets give it to the man, he really committed to the long con!

Or AIBU??

OP posts:
MaryHarringtonIsRight · 17/08/2023 15:25

Britney is a sweet lady who has gone through a lot and seems to have considerable mental health problems and possibly even drug problems. I think men will see her vulblneraility as an opportunity to exploit her and like many celebrities who are mentally unstable no one will/is able to get close enough to step in. It reminds me of how Mary J Blige, Denise Richardson, and Mariah Carey were abused and exploited by men who took advantage of their insecurities or mental illness.

yellowsmileyface · 17/08/2023 15:27

Of course we don't know the full story, and we never will, but I never trusted the guy.

No one can deny that Britney is a very vulnerable person, and vulnerable people seldom end up with good guys. They more often end up with people looking to use and exploit their vulnerability, coupled with her status and wealth, the probability is that he's always been out to exploit her.

I hope that she manages to find some peace but I too fear that this is all heading towards a tragic end.

ooooohnooooo · 17/08/2023 15:28

She totally needed the conservatorship when it started. There are enough pay offs/court testimony if you look online from people who worked for her that say she was a meth addict (amongst other things incl prescription drugs like Adderall, she was treated for ADHD as a teen) she had several undisclosed but diagnosed mental health conditions that she doesn't manage/self medicated for and she was never allowed to be alone with her (then) young children. She was very ill, addicted, almost bankrupt, unstable and allegedly, abusive in several ways to several people.

Should never have been under her Dad though.

In the conservatorship she was medicated, had a relationship with her kids (still wasn't ever allowed to be alone with them!) and worked. No one should be forced to work obviously, but for people with the conditions she allegedly has, a stable routine with medication can mean the difference between a somewhat stable existence and absolute chaos.

Free Britney - well that turned out well. She's unmedicated again, and clearly has been spiralling ever since. Her weird 'fan base' think she can do no wrong and will excuse any behaviour - that's if they're not claiming she'd dead/a clone/AI/not her but a body double blah blah blah. They're like rabid dogs on anyone who dares criticise her, including her own kids.

I'm not criticising her. She's clearly very very unwell. Her behaviour clearly indicates an individual who has several MH diagnoses that are not being treated. She may or may not be abusing drugs again. Even her personal hygiene, you can see it - she's clearly not capable of taking care of herself, she needs a damn good wash! Again, look for the old court testimony this is agin something that ex-employees who tried to sue her said. That she was filthy, made inappropriate advances, was always nude... the list goes on.

As for Sam? Clearly started on the payroll, he was down as her 'Chef' originally. Whether it grew into a real relationship or not who knows but he was with her/fell for her (if he did) whilst she was medicated and stable. Conservatorship ends, she goes off meds and all of a sudden he's got a whole new messy person as his wife. One who sometimes - even if it's not her fault - behaves in really challenging ways (look at the way she was awful, so awful, to her minor children a while back!).

I wouldn't hang around either, not if the person I was married to was so ill and point blank refused to get help or treatment.

I don't see a pleasant end for her. I hope I'm wrong. She needs care, proper medical care.

thebellagio · 17/08/2023 15:28

I thought the same @Gazelda I remember having that exact conversation with my DH, saying I thought Elton is the only person she could ever trust and know that he'll look out for her.

I also agree with @FartSock5000 - its literally only a couple of weeks since the internet slammed Ariana Grandes' husband saying he couldn't hack her fame/he was using her for clout, then it turned out she'd been having an alleged affair with another married man....SO I wouldn't be so quick to blame Sam for the marriage demise

Emmav2020 · 17/08/2023 15:28

With larry i think he was very controlling and after the money from the beginning but nothing as bad as her dad.

VictoriaVenkman · 17/08/2023 15:28

TheSkull · 17/08/2023 12:54

Agree. She was obvs in the conservatorship of her father for a reason.

The conservatorship was the way her father and family could keep using her as a cash cow, not to protect her. The only thing they were protecting was their income.

thebellagio · 17/08/2023 15:32

I wouldn't hang around either, not if the person I was married to was so ill and point blank refused to get help or treatment.

I think this is what it boils down to. If Sam was genuine (and I actually think he was), the Britney he met during the Slumber Party video shoot is a VERY different person to the Britney dancing in her bikini around a pole that she posted the other night.

ANyone knows with an addict you have to walk away eventually to protect yourself - what's to say he's not reached this point? Of course, that is assuming she does have addiction issues

yellowsmileyface · 17/08/2023 15:38

I wouldn't hang around either, not if the person I was married to was so ill and point blank refused to get help or treatment.

He didn't have to marry her then.

She might be a different person now to when they met, but she's pretty much the same person she was a year ago when they tied the knot.

SisterAgatha · 17/08/2023 15:39

I love Britney. I always did.

The Free Britney movement don’t really understand that this is the reality of her condition, she genuinely is unwell. She needs supervision and she isn’t being “controlled” now, this is how her condition presents, as it did in 2006/7 with her unwashed hair, exhibitionism and poor relationship choices. They just think the conservatorship is extreme, which it is, but that’s what the US system has and she has no genuinely safe person. Ideally she would be placed in a secure unit when displaying extreme behaviour but with her wealth it becomes a huge issue. No one advocates for her. Her family see her as a work horse but she does need supervision of some type for when her manic episodes become too much.

In her position I would leave the US as Tina Turner did and move to Europe.

huggiess · 17/08/2023 15:42

Amanda Bynes was (still is?) in a conservatorship and her parents haven't done to her what Britney's dad has done to her...
She literally disappeared and not much was heard from her for a very long time. She was looked after.
Britney was performing at the VMA'S not long after her breakdown, clearly not herself !!

SisterAgatha · 17/08/2023 15:43

VictoriaVenkman · 17/08/2023 15:28

The conservatorship was the way her father and family could keep using her as a cash cow, not to protect her. The only thing they were protecting was their income.

Agreed. And the poor soul has no one else. They are all in it for the money. She’s worked for them since she was a tiny child. It’s heart breaking.

it the only reason she appeared well was the conservatorship which made she she was medicated and clean. There must be a middle ground for her.

Emmav2020 · 17/08/2023 15:44

@VictoriaVenkman Exactly.

if she was so ill mentally and with 'dementia' why the vegas residency and 3 world tours? i saw her on her last show, clearly didnt want to be there.
you would take her away from the public eye, get her the right help and let her have a break from working, which she has been doing for the whole family since being a child. then let her return, if wanted to, when she was ready.
she was close to her cousins and 2 childhood friends till a few years ago and i remember one said online she was threatened by her dad to stay away.
God i also remember watching the diary of britney spears on MTV years ago and her family were loving the perks and the fame that came with being with britney, they seemed to enjoy it more than britney who when she wasnt performng said all she ever wanted to do in her downtime was go back to Louisiana and enjoy being round everyone who knew her before she was famous.

shes just been surounded by leaches who have used her for money and there name to be known. its sad she has a family like she does.

huggiess · 17/08/2023 15:46

She did really well considering this was probably her lowest point. I just think it's disgusting she was made to perform so soon

thebellagio · 17/08/2023 15:51

Amanda Bynes is a great example for a comparison

She had huge issues, but her parents used the conservatorship for Amanda's good, not theirs.

She focused on her health, went to school, got a qualification and is living independently. Yes she had a relapse a few months ago, but she recognised she needed help and sought treatment

Whereas Brits dad was so controlling he alienated her from everyone, banned her from eating/drinking normal things (shes open about how he wouldn't let her have a cup of coffee), forced her to work so he could leech her money, made her stay in the public eye even when she didn't want to and has now made her utterly shit scared of admitting she needs help in case the same thing happens again.

Can you really blame her for not wanting to seek treatment or help?

Emmav2020 · 17/08/2023 15:52

There is court documents online that the conservatorship has not actually been terminated. people are still controlling her even her social media manager admitted only last week she still manages it. so why post the videos? to make her still look crazy? to make people believe she cant look after herself and then put her back in a conservatorship. theres been no invesigations into her dad and everyone else she accused of abuse and wants in prison.

Weddingpuzzle · 17/08/2023 15:53

I am not sure that he was doing the long con. He seems to be from a stable, loving family with a value system and I might be wrong but I think he mentioned a strong faith. He is always posting about his Mum and brothers. They got pregnant together. Most of his family were at the wedding. I can see why she wanted to be with him.

He didn't seem to be distant from her at all, physically or emotionally. In fact, in some audio I heard she was being very difficult with him, she was very frustrated and grumpy (and she will be as she definitely displays behaviours that I recognise as personality disorder/or CPTSD) and he was placatory. His non verbal communication only really pointed to him being out of his depth. I think if he does 'reveal' anything it will be that elements of their relationship were abusive. Britney has issues. I posted about her maybe 4-8 weeks after all the free britney stuff saying I felt it was going to be a car crash given how quickly she was declining and got told I was disgusting and that she was just 'expressing her freedom'. She is seriously psychologically damaged and IMO needs admitting to inpatient care, long term medication, psychotherapy and forensic psychiatric input but people wanted the 'happy ending'. The system has let her down, not only the individual people in her life.

thebellagio · 17/08/2023 15:54

Did her dad ever sit for the deposition that her lawyer requested?

Emmav2020 · 17/08/2023 15:56

@thebellagio Nope, neither did lou taylor.

thebellagio · 17/08/2023 15:59

How did they get out of that? I thought her lawyer was adamant he was going to bring them to justice

Sharknails · 17/08/2023 15:59

I'm embarrassed for the parasitic men in her life.

The dad.

Then we have Kevin Federline who is a sorry excuse for a man who hasn't worked a day in his life since she gave birth. He has been bleeding her dry for the duration. Who needs £60,000 a month child maintenance for two teenagers?

Now this.

I was so happy for her being able to get married at last, what a bloody shame the husband turned out to be of the same ilk as the others.

Poor woman.

TheSkull · 17/08/2023 16:11

Poudretteite · 17/08/2023 15:06

The conservatorship was blatantly exploitative and claimed she had dementia while forcing her to perform Vegas.

She may well need help and support - who wouldn't after what she has been through - but the conservatorship was just more exploitation.

I think what she's been through would be enough to make anyone lose it.

I suppose her family don’t know what to do to help her

SisterAgatha · 17/08/2023 16:13

The posts are not to make her look crazy. Britney is unwell. This is what unwell looks like for her; it’s very similar to her behaviour pre conservatorship. She was made to perform so quickly because she was controlled by people she believed to love and care for her who have convinced her it’s the right thing to do, and able to do so because she was medicated and stable. She is vulnerable and now even more isolated as even her family, negative as they were, are not around to make her take her medication.

she needs someone, not them, but someone.

Sharknails · 17/08/2023 16:15

ooooohnooooo · 17/08/2023 15:28

She totally needed the conservatorship when it started. There are enough pay offs/court testimony if you look online from people who worked for her that say she was a meth addict (amongst other things incl prescription drugs like Adderall, she was treated for ADHD as a teen) she had several undisclosed but diagnosed mental health conditions that she doesn't manage/self medicated for and she was never allowed to be alone with her (then) young children. She was very ill, addicted, almost bankrupt, unstable and allegedly, abusive in several ways to several people.

Should never have been under her Dad though.

In the conservatorship she was medicated, had a relationship with her kids (still wasn't ever allowed to be alone with them!) and worked. No one should be forced to work obviously, but for people with the conditions she allegedly has, a stable routine with medication can mean the difference between a somewhat stable existence and absolute chaos.

Free Britney - well that turned out well. She's unmedicated again, and clearly has been spiralling ever since. Her weird 'fan base' think she can do no wrong and will excuse any behaviour - that's if they're not claiming she'd dead/a clone/AI/not her but a body double blah blah blah. They're like rabid dogs on anyone who dares criticise her, including her own kids.

I'm not criticising her. She's clearly very very unwell. Her behaviour clearly indicates an individual who has several MH diagnoses that are not being treated. She may or may not be abusing drugs again. Even her personal hygiene, you can see it - she's clearly not capable of taking care of herself, she needs a damn good wash! Again, look for the old court testimony this is agin something that ex-employees who tried to sue her said. That she was filthy, made inappropriate advances, was always nude... the list goes on.

As for Sam? Clearly started on the payroll, he was down as her 'Chef' originally. Whether it grew into a real relationship or not who knows but he was with her/fell for her (if he did) whilst she was medicated and stable. Conservatorship ends, she goes off meds and all of a sudden he's got a whole new messy person as his wife. One who sometimes - even if it's not her fault - behaves in really challenging ways (look at the way she was awful, so awful, to her minor children a while back!).

I wouldn't hang around either, not if the person I was married to was so ill and point blank refused to get help or treatment.

I don't see a pleasant end for her. I hope I'm wrong. She needs care, proper medical care.

I don't suppose you have a link to the old court testimony of the ex employees do you? I'm looking on Google and can't see what you describe but would like to read it

SisterAgatha · 17/08/2023 16:19

@ooooohnooooo your post is so accurate. She was in very dark days in the 2000’s and people forget and think all they need to do is FREEBRITNEY and she will walk off in to the sunset. But it’s no different to an inpatient in a mental health ward, she NEEDS medication just to ensure her basic hygiene, that is how high her needs are. Where she has been let down is that the caregivers are also leeches. It’s so sad for her.

GG1986 · 17/08/2023 16:23

He has taken advantage of how vulnerable she is and clearly helped her get out of the control of her dad and then marry her so he can get her money. Even if there is a pre nup, it seems strange he has made sure he's been married to her for just over a year and now accusing her of adultery and trying to blackmail her. He's a fucking asshole.

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