To think people who want "safe routes to migration" into the UK are hopelessly naive

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We could spend every penny of public money on bringing refugees to the UK in comfy and safe boats and planes. We could make it mandatory for every home to provide accommodation and food. We could ban healthcare for anyone except refugees.

And there would still be thousands and thousands of boat crossings every year and millions more people languishing in bad situations and trying to figure out how to get here or elsewhere in northern Europe.

It's a crap situation. Life is bad. I feel dreadful for them.

But "safe routes" is a load of glib nonsense that can't work.

I think I'd summarise the whole situation like this:
Conservatives break country with Austerity. Blame EU "Red tape" and bureaucracy, thereby allowing rise of UKIP. Call Brexit referendum to neutralise the UKIP threat to their party, which is obsessed with Europe.
UKIP loves this, goes in on nasty EU enabling all the countries to join, we need to "take back control" of borders and be like australia with points based system. Knowing they don't have to implement the "will of the people". Lots of people love this idea, vote leave.
Conservatives have to "take back control and horse it up because its impossible to have any sensible conversation, because the "take back control" lot insist that means no EU involvement in our rules, ever. Suddenly realise policing borders cost £££ and expertise in the border force, which they broke with austerity. Fuck up controlling borders, have no EU return agreement from 2020, migration increases. Plus backlog of asylum seekers, costing increasing £££.

What to do? No EU to blame. Blame the French and try more deflection onto "Australia zero migration". Talk about being "hostile" and deterrents to sound like the lack of ability to deal with migrants is some kind of thought through strategy.

Completely fail to have any sensible plan to address any issue, but just promote "left v right" infighting

That's where we are today.

I have asked this. The answer is the Australian politician explains why the law works 🙄

This is so insular

I’ve just posted Med and Mexico to US numbers

There are no Tories or Brexit there.

I get people are convinced as you are, but it’s so bizarre people are not noticing the rest of the world.

You’ve also misunderstood this, so many now

Your solution was not viable because you didn’t get the law.

But you acknowledge that numbers only dropped after the Australians introduced the pushbacks?

Graph from the Sunday Times.

Not a great image but demonstrates my point.

Fact check says it’s inconclusive. The summary on why sounds reasonable.

I don’t see why Rwanda wouldn’t be a huge deterrent. We also have social media and personal devices now which probably plays a role in what people hear about quickly.

Who would pay £5k to end up in Rwanda?

So you are ignoring the graph?
The drop in numbers came straight after the pushbacks were introduced.

What’s wrong with fact check?

Didn’t you link it originally until you saw it didn’t back up your view

So you are ignoring the graph.

Other people won't.

It's a half the Australian policy - the half that saw numbers increasing.

I can't believe I've done 2 whole threads without basic fact checking on what cloudy claims

There are still boats going to Australia- more in the last 2 years than 2020

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/asylum-boats-statistics/

There are a record number of asylum seekers in Australia this year, most arriving by plane. Many come on visas and seek asylum when they arrive. Opposition claims the government has lost control of its borders.
https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/20/record-100000-people-seeking-asylum-who-remain-in-australia

And in general Australia is on track for a migration boom this year.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/13/australia-on-track-for-2023-migration-boom-as-arrivals-dwarf-treasury-forecasts-ex-official-says

I wouldn’t bet on it no. I’d say paying £5k to end up in Rwanda is a huge deterrent and information will spread quickly

I also think the Aus politician who has experience made a compelling argument

If people do really want to stop the boats and think it’ll take more then maybe we’ll see if it’s needed

I'm not a politician so who cares if my solution is viable.

The government's solution is not viable for a multitude of obvious reasons. And they are in charge so it's imperative their solution is viable if we want the problem fixed

Someone who thinks there is a sporting chance they won't end up in Rwanda, by the same token that they won't end up drowned in the Med or the English channel.

And face it. If we are only sending 1000 out of our 75,000 known arrivals there is a very good chance it won't be them.

Well then your view on all of it isn’t based on facts. You need to at least consider the law.

And people who have had success have a good view on it.

You need to at least consider the demographics of the UK vs oz, and people who are expert on migration to the UK. But you don't.

You don’t go backwards to clear

So much of this was said as the interviewer had similar misconceptions

"Well then your view on all of it isn’t based on facts."

The fact is numbers of asylum seekers increased after the Australians introduced off shore processing.

I have no idea what that means

most arriving by plane

Do we have this issue?

Aus will sort out the plane issue as they did the boats

jgw1
7 years ago we had an agreement with France that meant that if the UK government had chosen to use it we could have returned failed asylum seekers to France.

This statement doesn't make sense - why would we return failed asylum seekers back to France unless they were French nationals?

But good to see the politician remains your sole source of info

I’ve linked numbers and articles

Which is more than your meanderings tbh

"The application of that criteria means that the Member State through which the asylum-seeker first entered the EU is responsible for examining their asylum claim."

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/what-is-the-dublin-iii-regulation-will-it-be-affected-by-brexit/

It was affected by brexit - we are no longer part of it

I am just waiting for someone to tell me that this is the fault of the Tories or Brexit.
Mass migration is a global problem , open your eyes peeps.

You think we've got problems,

"The US Border Patrol reported a record 234,088 migrants crossed the southern border in April, up from 221,444 in March. Around half are released into the country, with few expected to be seen again."

https://nypost.com/2022/06/05/secret-uptick-in-new-york-migrant-flights/