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fuckityfuckityfuckfuck · 11/08/2023 15:21

JudgeJ · 11/08/2023 15:13

How insulting, to Darwin that is, he would probably have been appalled at the behaviour of this species, doubt he would have wanted his name associated with this fiasco.

Darwin awards are awarded for such utter stupidity (mostly dumb ways in which people have killed themselves) that it backs up the theory of survival of the fittest. Its a real thing. There's even a film about the Darwin Awards.

AllyCart · 11/08/2023 15:21

AtomicBlondeRose · 11/08/2023 15:15

Isn’t the 8 year old with her auntie? I think the dramatics about how she’ll never have a bond with the parents again and has been abandoned is overstated. It used to be very common for children to go to stay with relatives for extended periods in the summer and in many countries still is. It’s not like the child is in an orphanage! I’d have no worries leaving my DC with relatives for a few weeks if need be. They’d enjoy it!

Presumably you wouldn't be arriving home from a 3+ month Caribbean holiday to greet your child with a new born sibling, though.

IDontLoveTheWayYouLie · 11/08/2023 15:21

AtomicBlondeRose · 11/08/2023 15:15

Isn’t the 8 year old with her auntie? I think the dramatics about how she’ll never have a bond with the parents again and has been abandoned is overstated. It used to be very common for children to go to stay with relatives for extended periods in the summer and in many countries still is. It’s not like the child is in an orphanage! I’d have no worries leaving my DC with relatives for a few weeks if need be. They’d enjoy it!

I mean going on a family visit for a few weeks is a bit different to your parents fucking off and not knowing when they will be back though.

Testina · 11/08/2023 15:22

@mumda “Were they rowing from Martinique to St Lucia or did they take the feery?”

The way the article writes about them sailing to Grenada in June for (nicer weather?!) I was assuming this dipshit duo had their own boat? Hence also giving birth at sea with no witnesses.

AnnieKayTee · 11/08/2023 15:22

Yeah this whole story is dodgy. She just happened to give birth when they arrived, didn't go overdue or anything and hung around for 3 days afterwards before presenting at the hospital 🤨
Gobsmacked to see he's also been out there for 4 months without coming home to take care of his 8 year old daughter. He could be working and supporting his wife while she waits it out in St Lucia, (for the longest ever dna test.)
Absolute morons.

Showdogworkingdog · 11/08/2023 15:24

Aside from the fuckwittery of leaving their child in the UK for an unknown length of time and the sand in crevices you never want sand to get into, I’m astonished at the gormlessness of rocking up at a hospital in a foreign country and expecting them to register the baby. Even aside from everything else, wouldn’t you check if that’s possible to do thatbefore, you know, flying there at 35 weeks pregnant.

BCCoach · 11/08/2023 15:24

Skinnermarink · 11/08/2023 13:56

I was just reading that. I was wondering if it was a ploy to get duel nationality for the baby and it’s backfired spectacularly.

She flew at 35 weeks, so potentially intended to have been away from her other daughter for six weeks while they waited for the birth to happen naturally. The mind boggles.

Is St Lucian nationality really that desirable? It seems that St Lucia does indeed give nationality by birth so if the baby was born within the 12 mile limit they were at least successful on that count.

AllyCart · 11/08/2023 15:26

fuckityfuckityfuckfuck · 11/08/2023 15:21

Darwin awards are awarded for such utter stupidity (mostly dumb ways in which people have killed themselves) that it backs up the theory of survival of the fittest. Its a real thing. There's even a film about the Darwin Awards.

'Darwin awards' isn't really appropriate here since the whole point is exactly the opposite of what's happened.

The premise is that the parents are so stupid they wouldn't live long enough to produce offspring. If this story is true, it's absolutely not the case here.

Dixiechickonhols · 11/08/2023 15:26

I suspect SS will now look into 8 yr old abandoned with auntie.
I wonder if dna shows one or both aren’t the parents and it’s currently in someone’s wtf do we do with this pile.

Survey99 · 11/08/2023 15:28

Skinnermarink · 11/08/2023 15:01

My cynical brain is saying it was an illegal surrogacy and they need money for more bribes to pay off the people that could blow the whole thing apart, and then money to forge the correct paperwork to get the baby a passport. Don’t think these sort of things don’t go on.

The thought crossed my mind too, and if it turns out she has had no antenatal care in the UK and there is no medical signs of her recently giving birth there will be huge alarms bells going off in both countries. I won't be surprised if there is more to this story as the alternative is they are really just that stupid!

I hope the DNA tests have been done on both parents and samples taken in a controlled supervised environment.

cheezncrackers · 11/08/2023 15:28

The stupidity of some people is just astounding. And now they're bemoaning the fact that 'no-one is helping'. Well, surprise, surprise! You get yourself into a stupid situation as two adults, it's up to you to get out of it, not the British High Commission or the passport office or anyone else. As for the trauma of witless Iuliia, I notice she doesn't mention the trauma she's put her older child through. The ones I feel sorry for are the two little girls, with such dipshits for parents.

LateSummerLobelia · 11/08/2023 15:28

At best they have been stupid fuckwits and social services have now been alerted they need to pay very close attention to the 2 children and be closely involved with the family.... wherever that may lead.

At worst they have bought a baby- concocted the most ridiculous story and social services and every other authority known to humankind will be involved and they are seriously fucked.

What could possibly have gone wrong? It's not like it could ever have been predicted by vaguely functioning adults is it?

IHopeYouStepOnALegPiece · 11/08/2023 15:29

Pair of utter fucking idiots

cocksstrideintheevening · 11/08/2023 15:31

The poor kids. They deserve help. The parents deserve to not have their children in their care. Fuckwits.

Slouching · 11/08/2023 15:31

That's so weird?! All that and they never even made it to the beach 🤦🏼‍♀️

Surely there's more to this? Could they really be that stupid/selfish/reckless just for an "ideal" birth? I don't buy it.

bridgetreilly · 11/08/2023 15:32

Rule of thumb for what foreign embassies will do for individuals in difficult circumstances abroad, especially of their own making: what the Home Office will do for individuals in difficulties in the UK, especially of their own making.

bridgetreilly · 11/08/2023 15:33

Is St Lucian nationality really that desirable?

More than Russian, I guess.

fuckityfuckityfuckfuck · 11/08/2023 15:34

AllyCart · 11/08/2023 15:26

'Darwin awards' isn't really appropriate here since the whole point is exactly the opposite of what's happened.

The premise is that the parents are so stupid they wouldn't live long enough to produce offspring. If this story is true, it's absolutely not the case here.

Just explaining what they are to a poster who hadn't heard of it before.

But as giving birth can be deadly, I'd agree it is applicable here. There are 'suvivors' of the darwin awards.

meditrina · 11/08/2023 15:37

The Consulate seems to be acting correctly and the parents are misrepresenting it.

They are not, as they put it essentially stateless. They are exactly the same nationalities as always (presumably British) and therefore the DD will be British by descent.

To get a passport overseas, you need the local birth certificate (and possibly a notarised translation).

They do not have and cannot obtain the local birth certificate because of the circumstances of the birth. The consulate has, correctly, advised them that they need a DNA test to establish that the child is theirs (not mistrustful of them per se, but a blanket measure to counter child trafficking). It is up to the parents to arrange this (consulate may be able to signpost suitable providers if they cannot find one)

It's going to be a total PITA for the DC to not have a birth certificate, but a British passport should be an acceptable alternative once back

I have no sympathy for people who give birth overseas who do not make arrangements that cover the time until the baby has the documents needed to travel (unless they travelled very early in pregnancy and got unexpectedly stranded until the birth, in which case they might not have looked in to the formalities beforehand). But if you are planning deliberately to have your child overseas, then you really do need to understand the admin of birth registration at destination and how long it takes to apply for a passport overseas.

PegasusReturns · 11/08/2023 15:39

Regardless of stupidity in going in first place why has dad not returned to see his daughter

AcrossthePond55 · 11/08/2023 15:39

As far as 'buying a baby', IDK. If they went to a hospital shortly after the birth I'd assume they checked the mother over and it would have been obvious whether or not she had recently given birth. I don't know about the rest of you, but I still had a swollen uterus and was leaking from my fanny AND my boobs for quite some time!

Nah, I think they're just two idiots.

Vinvertebrate · 11/08/2023 15:40

They really do walk amongst us.

CloverHilla · 11/08/2023 15:42

As PPs have said, they're not stateless (although the poor innocent baby is) so at least one of them should come home to their other poor child.
They're completely irresponsible 😖

MrsKeats · 11/08/2023 15:44

Poor kids having those idiots as parents.

AlwaysJumping · 11/08/2023 15:44

FourTeaFallOut · 11/08/2023 13:46

And they left her 8yo back in the UK, because the 9 month warning was too taxing to get her passport renewed in time. Top parenting all round.

This. Along with waiting a few days to get your newborn checked

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