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7 police officers versus 1 autistic girl

242 replies

Green777 · 10/08/2023 22:14

https://metro.co.uk/video/teen-girl-autism-arrested-telling-officer-looks-like-lesbian-nana-2995683/

AIBU to think these Police officers should be disciplined for arresting this autistic

girl for a ‘hate crime’ then dragging her out of her home kicking and screaming?

The police officer who the girl said looked like her ‘lesbian nana’ seems very unprofessional.

Teen girl with autism arrested for telling officer she 'looks like my lesbian nana'

West Yorkshire Police's professional standards panel is investigating video footage of the incident involving an autistic 16-year-old girl following a complaint by her mother.

https://metro.co.uk/video/teen-girl-autism-arrested-telling-officer-looks-like-lesbian-nana-2995683/

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SkinnyMalinkyLankyLegs · 10/08/2023 23:37

lifeturnsonadime · 10/08/2023 23:30

What heightened situation?

The child was crying under the stairs.

The police was aggressive.

The only heightened situation was caused by the aggressive and unwarranted police response?

What heightened situation? Seriously? A couple of police officers in a house, one member of the family is screaming away, the mother is shouting at the police, there is at least one othet member of the family in the house...of course that's a heightened situation whereby they would need to call for back up.

I have no skin in the game here, I'm simply pointing out that we only have one side of the story and pointing out the clear rationale for the officers calling for back up.

FuppingEll · 10/08/2023 23:39

lifeturnsonadime · 10/08/2023 23:30

What heightened situation?

The child was crying under the stairs.

The police was aggressive.

The only heightened situation was caused by the aggressive and unwarranted police response?

How do you know? Do you not think the fact that a vulnerable autistic teen was allowed to go out on the piss and get into such a state that the police had to be called counts as a heightened situation? We have no idea what happened prior to the girl arriving home and them filming. How did she react when the police initially arrived to take her home? What state was she in prior to the police arriving? We know nothing just a small clip, selective from people with obviously very poor judgement.

lifeturnsonadime · 10/08/2023 23:39

, the mother is shouting at the police, there is at least one othet member of the family in the house...of course that's a heightened situation whereby they would need to call for back up.

There are ALREADY 7 police officers there when the mother is shouting to try to get through to the police that her disabled daughter is in distress.

Please tell me what crime you believe has been committed that warrants SEVEN police officers to attend a residential address AND exactly what and WHO has caused the heightened situation or let me guess you know fuck all about autism and think the child is to blame in some way?

lifeturnsonadime · 10/08/2023 23:41

FuppingEll · 10/08/2023 23:39

How do you know? Do you not think the fact that a vulnerable autistic teen was allowed to go out on the piss and get into such a state that the police had to be called counts as a heightened situation? We have no idea what happened prior to the girl arriving home and them filming. How did she react when the police initially arrived to take her home? What state was she in prior to the police arriving? We know nothing just a small clip, selective from people with obviously very poor judgement.

In the town I live in there are no police.
SEVEN police officers attending would be reserved for serious crime such as people trafficking, major drugs, murder.

Not a child cowering under the stairs, mother pleading and family member videoing the ableist abuse.

There is NO excuse for this.

NONE.

This was a situation which should have been de escalated.

Hawkins009 · 10/08/2023 23:43

SkinnyMalinkyLankyLegs · 10/08/2023 23:22

I don't think so, just the video that a family member took without any background ie why 7 police officers had to be called out (probably because there were quite a few family members in the house, so for the police's protection). Also I don't believe we heard the teenager make a simple observation about the police officer looking like a lesbian, it could've been said in any way/tone. Not taking either side here, but we only have a snippet of what went on here.

I was thinking there has to be lots more to it.

Clymene · 10/08/2023 23:43

The other person in the house is the autistic teenager's 18 year old sister who called the police to come and help her with her vulnerable sister. She thought they'd bring her sister safely home. Instead, they terrorised and her and arrested her.

7 police officers versus 1 autistic girl
lifeturnsonadime · 10/08/2023 23:46

Clymene · 10/08/2023 23:43

The other person in the house is the autistic teenager's 18 year old sister who called the police to come and help her with her vulnerable sister. She thought they'd bring her sister safely home. Instead, they terrorised and her and arrested her.

Thank you.

I didn't know the background. But I know when an autistic teen is being mistreated because I parent two.

This is so triggering to me.

We are told by CAMHS to call the police if our kids get into a situation where they might cause themselves harm because they don't have resources.

If we call them this is the risk we take.

FuppingEll · 10/08/2023 23:47

lifeturnsonadime · 10/08/2023 23:41

In the town I live in there are no police.
SEVEN police officers attending would be reserved for serious crime such as people trafficking, major drugs, murder.

Not a child cowering under the stairs, mother pleading and family member videoing the ableist abuse.

There is NO excuse for this.

NONE.

This was a situation which should have been de escalated.

Do you know what state the girl was in when they brought her home? They weren't called to lure a girl out from under the stairs Confused They didn't land up to the house unannounced and decide to drag an unwitting girl out from under her stairs. They had to bring her home because neither she nor her family members were able to do it.

FeigningConcern · 10/08/2023 23:48

lifeturnsonadime · 10/08/2023 23:29

I felt sick when the girls mother explained that she had autism and the female officer said "I don't care". That says it all.

Exactly it does say it all.

Inexcusable.

And in this article apparently the "West Yorkshire Police takes its responsibilities around the welfare of young people taken into custody and around neurodiversity very seriously."

Like fuck they do. More concerned about the delicate sensitivities of their homophobic officers.

This sort of thing terrifies parents of autistic children.

www.lbc.co.uk/news/seven-officers-drag-autistic-girl-hate-crime-female-lesbian-nana/

lifeturnsonadime · 10/08/2023 23:49

FuppingEll · 10/08/2023 23:47

Do you know what state the girl was in when they brought her home? They weren't called to lure a girl out from under the stairs Confused They didn't land up to the house unannounced and decide to drag an unwitting girl out from under her stairs. They had to bring her home because neither she nor her family members were able to do it.

She is a vulnerable autistic teenager.

Their job was to get her home not to enter it and to abuse her because she said a female police officer might be a lesbian.

FuppingEll · 10/08/2023 23:51

lifeturnsonadime · 10/08/2023 23:49

She is a vulnerable autistic teenager.

Their job was to get her home not to enter it and to abuse her because she said a female police officer might be a lesbian.

How do you know that is what she said? Because a mother who allowed her 'vulnerable autistic teenager' to go out and get pissed says so? That wasn't on the mothers film was it.

lifeturnsonadime · 10/08/2023 23:52

FeigningConcern · 10/08/2023 23:48

And in this article apparently the "West Yorkshire Police takes its responsibilities around the welfare of young people taken into custody and around neurodiversity very seriously."

Like fuck they do. More concerned about the delicate sensitivities of their homophobic officers.

This sort of thing terrifies parents of autistic children.

www.lbc.co.uk/news/seven-officers-drag-autistic-girl-hate-crime-female-lesbian-nana/

I know this is how autistic kids die when their are in places that they should be cared for.

AND all the police and the NHS are interested in doing is flipping virtue signalling rainbow flags.

I can't believe posters on this site think this is an APPROPRIATE response in times where there are limited police resources.

Instead of fighting crime they are being aggressive to disabled kids who they incorrectly perceive to be homophobic.

Fucking disgusting. Hope they all get investigated and disciplined.

lifeturnsonadime · 10/08/2023 23:54

FuppingEll · 10/08/2023 23:51

How do you know that is what she said? Because a mother who allowed her 'vulnerable autistic teenager' to go out and get pissed says so? That wasn't on the mothers film was it.

I don't know what she said anymore than you do but I do know that that was a frightened vulnerable disabled child cowering under the stairs and the police should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

Whatever she had said, anything she had said, did not deserved 7 police and being manhandled when she was not endangering anyone and was clearly in a state of distress.

Clymene · 10/08/2023 23:54

Yes @lifeturnsonadime. It terrifies me too. My son has a card which says he's autistic and to not touch him or arras him but please call me. I feel like he needs that as he's male and his unpredictable behaviour may be perceived as threatening. It's to show to the police.

But the police won't keep him safe. They will arrest an autistic girl who was posing no risk to anyone except herself. She was self harming and they still carried on.

They're animals. No humanity.

PencilsInSpace · 11/08/2023 00:05

None of those officers should have been in the house in the first place. They had neither a warrant nor permission to be there. WYP are claiming she committed a public order offence but she was in her own home.

The whole thing stinks from top to bottom.

oakleaffy · 11/08/2023 00:14

SkinnyMalinkyLankyLegs · 10/08/2023 23:37

What heightened situation? Seriously? A couple of police officers in a house, one member of the family is screaming away, the mother is shouting at the police, there is at least one othet member of the family in the house...of course that's a heightened situation whereby they would need to call for back up.

I have no skin in the game here, I'm simply pointing out that we only have one side of the story and pointing out the clear rationale for the officers calling for back up.

It was very shouty and loud- there probably is a backstory- ''Not their first rodeo'' with police at the door?

oakleaffy · 11/08/2023 00:20

Hawkins009 · 10/08/2023 23:43

I was thinking there has to be lots more to it.

A quick google found this.....

''West Yorkshire Police said they received calls from the girl's family in the early hours of Monday 7 August reporting that she was intoxicated and putting herself at risk in Leeds city centre.''

SkinnyMalinkyLankyLegs · 11/08/2023 00:21

PencilsInSpace · 11/08/2023 00:05

None of those officers should have been in the house in the first place. They had neither a warrant nor permission to be there. WYP are claiming she committed a public order offence but she was in her own home.

The whole thing stinks from top to bottom.

The public order offense was in relation to her being intoxicated in the city centre, where they brought her home from.

KrisAkabusi · 11/08/2023 00:25

PencilsInSpace · 11/08/2023 00:05

None of those officers should have been in the house in the first place. They had neither a warrant nor permission to be there. WYP are claiming she committed a public order offence but she was in her own home.

The whole thing stinks from top to bottom.

She has been drunk in Leeds city centre and they brought her home. Whatever happened, it didn't start in the house.

SoShallINever · 11/08/2023 00:26

Can I just reassurre people that I work in mental health and see the police in action every day. I have never encountered this type of behaviour from them, even in the face of extreme provocation and violence from adult men, they do their best to talk people down calmly.
That is why this video and the response from West Yorks, disgusts me so much. It does not reflect the policing I see.
West Yorkshire would do well to condemn their indefensible behaviour straight away and re educate their staff.

FeigningConcern · 11/08/2023 00:29

SkinnyMalinkyLankyLegs · 11/08/2023 00:21

The public order offense was in relation to her being intoxicated in the city centre, where they brought her home from.

Why did they take her home then after picking her up from the city centre?

If you read the police statement it’s clear that the offence is related to the “homophobic” comment that she made in her home. Otherwise they’d have arrested her earlier and wouldn’t have taken her home.

FeigningConcern · 11/08/2023 00:33

KrisAkabusi · 11/08/2023 00:25

She has been drunk in Leeds city centre and they brought her home. Whatever happened, it didn't start in the house.

I don’t think it’s relevant. They picked her up as she was drunk and brought her home. Obviously her behaviour prior to that didn’t warrant being arrested. And the police statement says it was because of the “homophobic” comment.

I was on the fence before I saw the police statement as I thought perhaps there was more to it than we were seeing. The police statement made it very clear however there wasn’t and that their actions were simply way beyond inappropriate, ableist and homophobic.

Ifeelsuchflutterings · 11/08/2023 00:36

SkinnyMalinkyLankyLegs · 11/08/2023 00:21

The public order offense was in relation to her being intoxicated in the city centre, where they brought her home from.

So you are claiming the statement put out by the West Yorkshire police force saying that she was arrested for a homophobic public order offence is actually incorrect and she was arrested for being drunk?

Tbh that would actually be more concerning if it turned out the Police lied to the public about the events.

RobertaFirmino · 11/08/2023 00:44

Why did they take her home then after picking her up from the city centre?

That's what coppers generally do with drunken teens. They don't leave pissed up vulnerable young people to make their own way home. She'll have been checked out over the radio, they'll have found she had no previous and decided to take her home, issuing a postal caution for being D&D or a letter asking her to attend the cop shop at a certain time for a formal caution.

Of course they will have wanted to enter the house. They need to see her living conditions and check that a responsible adult is present. Safeguarding etc.

What happened then? Did she really just suddenly meltdown? Or is there a portion of this incident that wasn't recorded or wasn't released? There will have been two or three coppers bringing her home - one to drive and another one or two to keep an eye on her. Why were extra officers summoned? There must be a reason - they wouldn't use (wo)manpower that is not needed, they don't have the funds. And no, when someone is resisting arrest, they do not care about autism or any other condition. They will do what it takes to detain an offender. Mitigating circumstances are for the court to consider.

I am usually the first to open my gob when it comes to police brutality. I am certain that there is more to this than meets the eye though. We certainly haven't seen the full picture in this video.

AnotherQuandary · 11/08/2023 00:47

Judging by the "I don't care" and body language of the smirking female officer I'd say the full picture pretty clear.