7 police officers versus 1 autistic girl

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https://metro.co.uk/video/teen-girl-autism-arrested-telling-officer-looks-like-lesbian-nana-2995683/

AIBU to think these Police officers should be disciplined for arresting this autistic

girl for a ‘hate crime’ then dragging her out of her home kicking and screaming?

The police officer who the girl said looked like her ‘lesbian nana’ seems very unprofessional.

FuppingEll

What are you talking about. No lesbians were threatened.

Just picking up about the MH issue, its not correct that the police are the service needed if someone is a risk to themselves or others due to a MH crisis

That is a health matter and you'll have heard, if you've needed to phone 999 or 101 recently, a message saying exactly this, if you are in a MH crsis put the phone down and contact health services.

Obviously it may not always be clear if its a MH crisis that someone is having if someone is lunging at you with a knife or being verbally abusive/intimidating you and then you'll call the police obviously but ultimately its a health matter

In this case, it would have been far better if the parents had gone to collect their daughter, again Im not sure why the police are being used for things like this.

I wonder when more detail will come out about the wider context

What harm are they actually preventing here? Police keep botching their role: https://www.academia.edu/105001998/Can_we_consider_a_do_no_harm_approach_to_policing

In this case, it would have been far better if the parents had gone to collect their daughter, again Im not sure why the police are being used for things like this.

The 16 yr old was supposedly on a sleepover, but went to find her 18 yr old sister. The sister couldn’t find her, couldn’t get in touch with her parents (asleep and didn’t hear the phone) so rang the police as she was drunk and vulnerable, which was exactly the right thing to do.
Once home and inside the 16 yr old commented that the WPC looked like her nana who’s a lesbian, WPC took offence, allegedly assaulted the mother to get to the teen to arrest her. Illegally.

In this case it would be far better if the police had done their jobs within the law, and had some understanding of an autistic child who did nothing to deserve arrest.

They have decided to take no further action.

I bet angry blonde PC is fuming

Just picking up about the MH issue, its not correct that the police are the service needed if someone is a risk to themselves or others due to a MH crisis

@bellac11 I dialled 999 for an ambulance and was sent the police. I didn’t ask for them that’s what I got.

If thats in the last few weeks, it will change significantly now

I didnt make any comment on the rights and wrongs of the fall out, but again the police are being used for things that are not police matters. I'd be interested in why the police for example didnt make the parents aware they were needed and instruct them to go and collect their daughter. Perhaps that was a decision taken somewhere by someone that they would go and collect the girls instead.

The 18 yr old sister couldn’t find the drunk and vulnerable 16 yr old, how is that not a police matter?

The actions taken by the police at this stage seem responsible and just what I would hope would happen.

I’m lucky enough to have never been in this situation with my son, but I know people who have had to involve the police for their autistic teens and they are reassured that they are doing the right thing.

The 18 yo was with her sister. She couldn't contact her mum so she called the police to help her get her sister home

If she hadn't, the police would never have been involved.

@sashh so sorry that happened to you 🌸

Just picking up about the MH issue, its not correct that the police are the service needed if someone is a risk to themselves or others due to a MH crisis

Well that has changed recently then. We have been specifically signposted by CAMHS to the police if their out of hours can't deal with it.

https://www.met.police.uk/notices/met/introduction-right-care-right-person-model/
most police forces have signed up to this. Basically triaging mental health calls. Previously the default was to send police to any call involving “concern for welfare”.

Police have powers to use force to detain under S136 but aren’t medically trained at all

Don't be ridiculous.

The point I was making is that a disability does affect an individual's life and the way they behave.

What about someone with Tourette's? Should they be arrested every day?

Even if someone has committed a crime or public order offence it doesn't mean the police get to manhandle them. This is the issue here.

The girl was having a meltdown because she was frightened of the police. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of anything she did in the first place, they should know how to handle someone having a meltdown.

I've just had a thought that has cheered me up.

I know the police give each other nicknames, and I know what Ms Blond short hair will now be called, for the rest of her (hopefully short) career.

Yes you've been sign posted by CAMHS, you haent been told by the police that they are the appropriate service.

The police are starting to push back, health services shouldnt be directing anyone else to manage health crises

They’re fully trained with matters pertinent to gender.

It’s not too much to ask that they de-escalate and are trained to deal with members of the public with disabilities and or MH issues.

They should also have resilient and calm attitudes and not be telling people “I don’t care”.

Well in this particular example, nobody bloody asked them to do it, did they they could’ve just fucked off to the next incident and ignored a grumpy teenager no matter what she was saying. Years ago, the police officer would’ve muttered twat under their breath and carried on.

Police have told us that if there's two adults present we should be able to control DS and need to 'do whatever it takes' to stop him hurting himself or us.

Social Services on the other hand say we cannot 'do whatever it takes' and we're waiting for safe restraint training. (I'm with Social Services on this btw.)

Footage has emerged of this veeery similar looking police woman in Leeds with a van of pepper spray looking slightly out of control while policing a dispute especially when compared to the behaviour of the other calm police officers.

https://x.com/crimeldn/status/1716510746249506849?s=46&t=KoykWa-IFitZMrteWP2pKA

Just seen this. She appears to be excitable and completely out of control in that footage. I mean even if we hadn't seen Lesbian Nan's conduct before, she'd stand out in this video. Every police officer seems to have got the de-escalate memo but her. Bizarre behaviour.

Bloody Hell, PC Lesbian Nan seems to be a very fighty person, doesn't she? Pava spraying half a dozen people who aren't really doing anything.

I hope she's crying into her doughnuts because all charges against the girl have been dropped, the fragile-egod bully.

Not often am I speechless.

If someone like me, a middle class, middle aged woman no longer has any faith in the police then we, as a country, are completely and utterly funked.

She is completely out of control, I can't see why that is not assault as she is going up to them.