To think an autistic child should not be treated like this by the police?

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I don’t know the background to this video, but at no point is there any suggestion by the police that this autistic teenager has done anything other than say words the police didn’t like.

I am absolutely shocked that this is happening in Britain.

IABU - that’s an appropriate police response to homophobic words
IANBU - those police officers should be sacked

Warning: the video shows scenes of an autistic teenager being hurt.

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calm police officer
mother shrieking like banshee

Funny how women saying please stop and think is just making a high-pitched piercing sounds.

By now I suspect that Mz I Dont Care is probably wishing she had listened to warning from the "banshee".

I see a mother who clearly said that a police officer forced entered her home without a warrent and without asking for permission in the absence of a warrent.

I expect that the calm police officer would bring the video evidence to the courts and get a warrent, then if needed arrest "by appointment". Not assault a third party or force a warrentless entry into a private home or pull such a large police resource to a single non-violent incident.

Not difficult to see how they made it a violent incident, though.

Totally hypothetically - since we can't know the motivations behind this - but say you'd been called to find a drunk autistic teen at 1am, and you think a) it's beneath you, and b) you read the Daily Mail so autism is just an excuse for bad behaviour because everyone's getting a diagnosis these days. You're in a pretty bad mood, because this isn't why you joined the force.

She gets delivered home, and makes an innocent comment that you've heard a million times before because of your short hair, and - after this whole waste of your time - you think it's time to teach someone a lesson. You've already been through the door once, so you take that as blanket consent to go back in and grab the kid, scare her a bit and she'll think twice before being such a brat next time.

The mother doesn't just stand back and let you do it, though, so now it's a confrontation, and the kid's run under the stairs just to piss you off. OK, you've said you're arresting her, you can't back down now, and you've got an angry mother and a non-compliant teenager - it's a bit dangerous now, so best call for backup* because you're in an enclosed environment that's not completely under your control. Your buddies turn up, without any context and all they know is that there's a kid who's resisting arrest, and now you're no longer the ranking officer on the scene and you've lost all control over the situation.

Then the video happens.

Completely understandable how it got to that point, if you start with the assumption that the blonde-haired officer is a) in a bad mood, and b) not particularly professional.

• I'm curious as to when the backup was called. By the mother's account, she said that she'd already called for backup, but logically the only opportunity to do that was before she announced the arrest. If that timeline is true, then that's an indication that she planned for it being a confrontational encounter before the comment and the attempted arrest.

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If that timeline is true, then that's an indication that she planned for it being a confrontational encounter before the comment and the attempted arrest.

Crikey! That actually makes perfect sense, when you consider that she was visibly spoiling for a fight.

Well, remember...that's purely hypothetical, I have absolutely no evidence for it. Just trying to construct a notional sequence of events which would fit all the accounts available.

Well, it does make sense, after reading it; it seems more than plausible to me.

https://twitter.com/WestYorksPolice/status/1690042791395569681?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

They are still leading with the "it was a hate crime" angle.

I don’t mean to be indelicate but the lord’s work still needs doing on the other thread. ahem

“For how long have you held this belief”.

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What concerns me and I'm happy to be updated if it's been said, what happened after she was dragged in pain and in fear into the police car?

Because frankly, I would worry whether that vile thug with the chip on their shoulder, having a child arrested for hurty feelings, was in the car with her once the camera was unable to capture anymore?

She broke the rules. She forced entry to a house. She had no warrant. She was clearly incredibly aggressive, fists clenched and said she didn't care what the mum said. She made, along with her equally abhorrent colleagues, no reasonable adjustments for the child's additional needs and disabilities, again, voicing angrily she didn't care.

What always annoys me in the UK is we just accept it, we may ask the police complaints commission to get involved but such is the way policy is, very few complaints actually reach that far. My DH and I are in the process of going through the policy, we are still at local level after asking for a review into the original local level investigation into our complaint. In that we've found evidence of evidence tampering to try and justify the behaviour of their officer.

No compliant should be dealt with by anyone in the same police force. It's not going to be without bias. Also, currently there are so many times when police fuck up, that they're desperate to make excuses and fob people off.

I think we need two things to change- firstly, there needs to be a system where complaints are dealt with by an entirely independent team with no links to police whatsoever. They get all evidence from both sides, and make a decision.

We also need to watch what the US does, the amount of people who have sued there for incidents like this who have been paid substantial sums. We need to normalise actually suing.

As the parent of two ND teens, I can't imagine the long-term effects that incident- which they've now said they won't be taking action on- has had on that child. She will never trust the police again. I know my DD at the moment gets quite jumpy seeing police cars or hearing sirens due to what has recently been done with our family on the words of someone who bragged about his mates in the force.

Pissing other people off is not an offence, let alone an arrestable one.

Looks like they're rowing back a bit. Not only are they (predictably) not proceeding with the charges, but the emphasis is now on the complaint. With that "lesson learned" stuff they're paving the way for the complaint to go against the officers.

Off the point, but I wish their PR people would learn that white font on a black background isn't disability-friendly either.

Everywhere that police officer goes, people will be calling her Lesbian Nan. Is she going to arrest all of them?

That Twitter update. Lessons learned eh? Will that include a lesson for WYP on basic rules of policing and perhaps a step by step illustrated guide on how arrests are supposed to be done?
Also, I note that they are making this out to be a complex and challenging issue relating to a young person and Neurodiversity. I would argue no member of the public should be treated in the way West Yorkshire Police chose. It was an abomination and whether the girl had been young or old, ND or not, the issues of concern here were caused entirely by WYP officers and nobody else.

In relation to my last post, I should say that doesn’t mean that being young and ND are not relevant here. It absolutely is. But not in the way WYP are implying (that issues of being young and ND made it complicated and challenging for them). West Yorkshire Police behaved atrociously and will have caused this young girl huge trauma that she may never fully be able to recover from. They caused the problem and the fall out will impact the family permanently.

You’re absolutely right.

The PO broke rules here even before you consider the aspects of it being done to an ND child.

Their smokey screen of complex, context and half the story are clearly an attempt to manipulate the public.

It’s always lessons will be learned. Translation for that is, we aren’t sorry, we just sorry you’re kicking up a fuss. Here is a non apology and I hope you’ll forget about it and we can move on

Their smokey screen of complex, context and half the story are clearly an attempt to manipulate the public

Quite. And I’d bet my hat the ‘context’ of full video evidence on those officers body cams would be absolutely damning for WYP. I’d also be checking those officers watsapp messages. Officers with hair triggers and an axe to grind like this one haven’t just flipped overnight.

Why is the OP shocked that this is happening in Britain? The police response was absolutely abhorrent.

"this concludes the criminal investigation?

The mother has said she is now taking legal action.

And quite bloody right too.

It's about time people do when police act like thugs.

It literally blows my mind how she could behave like that, assault the mother by slamming the door into her, illegally enter the home and then have 7 burly males drag a child out over an observation made by a kid with no filter down to ND.

But then, officers like that thrive on people's belief that they can enter your home regardless. When they behaved abhorrently over a non-issue with my DH, the officer came when I was home with my teens but DH was out. He demanded to come in and I said no, do you have the relevant paperwork to do so, because my DS would have had a panic attack with two officers in our home.

He got incredibly aggressive, telling me he could come in if he bloody well wanted to. I shut the door on him and his colleague, so he stood outside telling the other one how he was going to "nick that smart little bitch" later on. Charming.

Even now, we have a complaint ongoing over what was two weeks of hell, and they've falsified evidence in the first enquiry.

I hate to say it, because once upon a time I was the type who would have thought the police got a hard time and weren't how some portrayed them, but they are utterly useless, bullying, thugs who go for low hanging fruit because they lack the intelligence to actually solve real crime.

The first thing I would do if I had any interactions with the police whatsoever, is get my phone out and start recording it

Dont do that if you are driving and stopped