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117 replies

Deedeedoe · 05/08/2023 13:06

We adopted a child at 16m. Now an adult , they have contacted and gone to live with birth mother.and step father. The reason for the adoption was domestic violence, rape, and incest in the family, mostly the birth fathers side but also the birth mother could have kept her children but chose the abusive partner and put all 4 of her children up for adoption. I'm gutted. Feel like a failure. Any advise?

OP posts:
Hawkins009 · 05/08/2023 22:17

And given the background of the family and adoption reasons, that's why I asked.

RudsyFarmer · 05/08/2023 22:18

Are you concerned about her safety now OP?

user1471447924 · 05/08/2023 22:19

While I can understand that some situations are difficult and there might be good reason for waiting until children are old enough to understand before sharing some aspects of their circumstances with them (conceived as a result of rape or sexual abuse, for example), I can’t think of any situation where it would be a good idea to deceive your adopted child (indefinitely?) into believing that you were their biological parent.

coodawoodashooda · 05/08/2023 22:22

I am so sorry. That is unbelievably unfair and must be very painful. I hope your baby comes home

Moneynewpence · 05/08/2023 23:14

Deedeedoe · 05/08/2023 18:55

I' do judge her. She had.many opportunities to keep her babies and she didn't. I ve met her and her rapist, incestuous partner and think she is disgusting. What do you think about that. Am I really judgemental or just normal???

Being judgemental is the worst of MN sins. Even when it's a ridiculous response and people ought to bloody judge. Ignore.
But pointless doing it out loud as your child won't be able to square it with memory (too young at the time) or the version bio parents may now be selling.

Deedeedoe · 05/08/2023 23:33

Not sure what moneynewpence was on about. Anyhow, will crack on, power through and all that. Really grateful for the messages. Its been really helpful to have different perspectives. Thanks so much xx

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Hawkins009 · 05/08/2023 23:37

Deedeedoe · 05/08/2023 23:33

Not sure what moneynewpence was on about. Anyhow, will crack on, power through and all that. Really grateful for the messages. Its been really helpful to have different perspectives. Thanks so much xx

I think they are trying to say it's pointless being judgemental to your adoptive dd as your dd won't have any memories of what you say to be true, if your judging the biological parents.

Deedeedoe · 05/08/2023 23:44

Yes, thank you. I ve come to realise this x

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IAmBreathing · 06/08/2023 01:17

Sending you an unmsnetty hug OP. I can only imagine how hard this is and how painful.

It really really is no reflection on your parenting, or the bond that you and DD share.

IMO it is part of being human to be drawn to your birth family (unless you have clear and troubling memories from the past). This is not something that you could have prevented or changed.

It is also incredibly painful and complicated to be told that members of your birth family are 'bad' or 'wrong' in some way. This type of information is very hard to process and accept and sadly again human nature is to not want to believe it. As such i think that it can become a case of 'shoot the messenger' which can cause damage to the adoptive parent bond.

I hope she comes back to you soon OP.

JMSA · 06/08/2023 02:16

You saved her. Hopefully in time she will see that.
Flowers

LovePoppy · 06/08/2023 03:50

Escapefromhell · 05/08/2023 21:31

Absolutely not your fault. You did a kind and selfless thing by adopting them when they needed yiu. I used to work with a lot of young people who were either adopted or looked after/fostered. They all sought out their blood family as soon as they could, and formed relationships with them…. Even if their families were objectively awful. Blood is thicker than water.

As an adoptee I’m Really struggling with this comment but can’t put into words why.

it’s making adoptees sound like three legged puppies.

Im sure you’re trying to be kind to OP, but please think about how you sound about the population you are speaking about

nonamesavailable123 · 06/08/2023 04:29

As an adoptive parent this is my worst fear. I know my child loves me but I would struggle so much to see them go back to a mother that was deemed incapable of putting their safety and emotional well-being in the centre of their thinking. I feel so much for you. I hope she comes home soon.

user1492757084 · 06/08/2023 05:12

Your child is an adult and hopefully her normal upbringing will stand her in good stead to recognise what is not healthy and what is dangerous.
Have you spoken to her about her past - giving her details of abusive arrangements etc.?

Does she know what to watch out for?
Is she familiar with children who are not safe ie through a charity contact or through her work or education?

I would only hope that she will stay in contact with you and that you will be able to have frank discussions and stay as a person of refuge and safety.

Getting to know her siblings and parents will be a huge attraction for her. Can you afford to help her keep (or construct) an independence re her own living arrangements?
Can she get her own flat? Does she have a job?
If she doesn't have to live with the family she will have more control over her own safety and boundaries.

Bellavida99 · 06/08/2023 06:09

This sounds really painful for you. Hopefully the birth parents are new and shiny and your child is fascinated to find out all about their past. Stay strong , cracks will soon show and they’ll be back.

Museya15 · 06/08/2023 06:23

I watched a programme about this years ago, the adopted child was given up by her parents who then went on to get married and have more children, she was brought up by her adopted parents in a very privileged life. Found the real birth parents and it was great for a year but then couldn't get passed the fact that they had given her up in the first place, she was like a stranger to them in the end compared to how they treated their other kids.

Shamefulsecrets0 · 06/08/2023 07:03

Was the BM abused herself? I only ask because while it's not an excuse for what she did and how she put her children at risk - if she came from a traumatic childhood herself then I don't think it's as simple to call her 'disgusting' and 'abnormal', she may have felt that she couldn't escape. Its very easy to look at things from an outside perspective and judge, but you can't walk a mile in that person's shoes.

That's not to say you shouldn't be concerned about your daughter of course, the living arrangement sounds very strange. Did she leave on good terms just wanting to find out more about her biological family? Or is there tension there which might be making her reluctant to come home if something is wrong? Has she had access to all of the reports and full knowledge of the circumstances around her adoption? Is she a fairly sensible 23 year old or immature?

cloudsandream · 06/08/2023 07:07

Can someone explain why people are offended over adoption being described as “a kind and selfless act” because it is isn’t it? You aren’t adopting to be mean and cruel? Taking on a child and supporting them financially and emotionally where their birth parents weren’t able to do so. I’m surprised people are downplaying the morals and commitment of adoption.

Batalax · 06/08/2023 07:08

I’d judge exactly like you, because that whole situation was toxic. But you expressing that judgement won’t make life easy for your child. There will be so many conflicting emotions.

You need to communicate to your child that you understand their drive to know their birth family, that you hope it works out for them and that then they’ll be lucky that they’ll have both them and you in their lives. How good would that be? - whilst privately thinking whatever you want. Then just wait it out.

ShiteRider · 06/08/2023 07:17

cloudsandream · 06/08/2023 07:07

Can someone explain why people are offended over adoption being described as “a kind and selfless act” because it is isn’t it? You aren’t adopting to be mean and cruel? Taking on a child and supporting them financially and emotionally where their birth parents weren’t able to do so. I’m surprised people are downplaying the morals and commitment of adoption.

It’s no more selfless than giving birth to a child. It’s just another way of becoming a parent with all the joys and challenges that brings (although some of them might look a bit different).

Doing the whole adoptive parents as saviours thing is demeaning to the kids as it makes them sound like something out of Oliver Twist or the last puppy in the dog shelter. It’s also a bit embarrassing as an adoptive parent because it’s simply not true.

ThisOldThang · 06/08/2023 07:19

Deedeedoe · 05/08/2023 14:47

Thanks for.your messages. It just seems to be a whole world of pain. Their happy childhood and supportive upbringing seems.to count for nothing.

Perhaps their happy childhood prevents them from seeing the brutal reality of this situation?

I've noticed that it is often well meaning people, far removed from sink estates, that argue for liberal sentencing and can't conceive of people living a benefits lifestyle. Whereas, those living next door to problem families, antisocial behaviour, etc, are far less forgiving.

Incest and abuse are so far beyond your child's experience that they probably can't really conceive how bad things must have been and just how large a betrayal it was to have four children adopted just so that the mother could stay with the abuser.

MySugarBabyLove · 06/08/2023 07:37

OP, ignore those who say you’re too judgemental. And those saying you shouldn’t be too harsh because the mother may have been abused herself. That comment is frankly insulting to victims of child abuse who don’t grow up to be child abusers themselves.

Many horrible people were abused as children. Doesn’t give them any right or excuse their growing up to abuse their own children or others. Do we extend the same empathy to the likes of Fred and rose west? Myra Hindley? Harold shipman? And the list of depraved characters goes on.

This woman put a rapist over her children. To the extent she gave them up to be with him. That’s not worthy of any sympathy, it doesn’t matter what kind of childhood she had. Most people who were abused as children don’t grow up to be abusers themselves.

My DP grew up in foster care and many of the other children he was fostered with, and who had been adopted by his foster parents sought out relationships with their birth parents. They were supported in doing so by the AP, and invariably they have come back. As DP’s brother said, “what they often forget is that there was a reason why they were adopted in the first place.”

I know at least one of them essentially uses her birth father for money. She feels he owes her, but has no more of a relationship with him than that. And the rest have all realised that the grass isn’t greener.

Ultimately as your DD is an adult she has to forge her own path. And the truth is that most adult children will make some decisions that their parents are uncomfortable with, but this one is so much more difficult to reconcile because of the emotion behind it.

All you can do is be there. I like that saying, if you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, then it’s yours forever. If it doesn’t, it wasn’t meant to be.

loveandpoprockz · 06/08/2023 07:41

This is why I get so cross when I read comments minimising infertility and asking “why not just adopt”. Because it isn’t the same that’s why. And adoption is a big sacrifice. It just isn’t the same.

Poppyblush · 06/08/2023 07:50

Keep in touch and be patient…. As hard and hurtful as it is

NeedToChangeName · 06/08/2023 07:52

Escapefromhell · 05/08/2023 21:31

Absolutely not your fault. You did a kind and selfless thing by adopting them when they needed yiu. I used to work with a lot of young people who were either adopted or looked after/fostered. They all sought out their blood family as soon as they could, and formed relationships with them…. Even if their families were objectively awful. Blood is thicker than water.

@Escapefromhell I don't think adoption is usually "kind and selfless". Most people adopt in order to satisfy their own wish to have a family

Akiddleetivy2woodenchu · 06/08/2023 07:55

My cousin’s adopted daughter did this. Her birth mother was alcohol and drug dependent and every time she had a child it was taken off her. Aged 15 Clare (not her real name) tracked down an older brother and thereafter her birth mother on social media and went to live with her. It didn’t last, but instead of going back to my cousin, she lived on the streets. My cousin saw Clare begging one day and asked her to come home, but Clare refused. My cousin never saw her again, and had no idea what had happened to her. Social services weren’t interested given Clare’s age.