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AIBU to be angry we were subjected to Social Services Section 47 Investigation?

733 replies

Morbihanmum33 · 05/08/2023 10:13

Long post - sorry: My husband and I have 4 children, 14, 11, 7 & 2. No prior involvement with social services whatsoever. No ‘risk factors’ - criminal records / addiction issues / mental health problems / domestic violence / no issues at schools. Both of us have enhanced DBS. Professional jobs.

Our family recently had to endure the considerable distress and intrusion of a Section 47 child protection investigation.

Our 2 year old had light bruising across his thighs. Both my husband and I saw it but did not know how he’d done it. We flagged it when we took him to nursery, he is very active, trying to keep up with his bigger brothers. In the last 6 months at nursery, the nursery has filed 6 accident reports for incidents in their care, so they know what he’s like.

They rang me to tell me they had a statutory duty to report the bruises as they were unexplained and on a part of his body not normally associated with bruising. However, they assured me it was routine and nothing to worry about. They told me they made it clear on the referral that they did not believe we were responsible for the bruising.

The next morning a social worker called me and told me I had to take my son for a medical examination. This had to be done at the hospital - 45 mins away - immediately. I was due at work and had an important meeting so asked if it could be another time. I was told they could take my son into care if I did not go.

My son was given an examination by 2 doctors and I was interviewed at length. While waiting the social worker told me this was a Section 47 and that they would also have to see my other 3 children, and could go into their schools that same day if necessary to interview them! They also told me they had chosen not to involve the police at this stage!

The Drs found no evidence of non accidental injury. This was communicated to me and the SW at the time.

Despite this, the investigation still had to run its course over a number of weeks, with a visit to our home and interviews with the other 3 children, and them speaking to our GP and schools.

We all found the whole process deeply distressing and a total invasion of our privacy. I was fraught with worry the entire time. We were made to feel like criminals, with SS adopting a ‘guilty until proven innocent approach’. I’ve been left traumatised by the whole experience.

Having read up on this I understand that bruising in a non mobile infant under 6 months is always a major cause for concern, and some local authorities authorise automatic Section 47’s for referrals like this. However, government guidance is that (even with a non mobile infant) an initial enquiry or assessment should be made with the family before initiating an investigation.

Secondly, my child is fully mobile and the original referral explicitly said the bruising was not considered suspicious - so I do not understand why this was escalated in this way.

The cases (against all 4 of my children!) have been closed, but I’m so angry we were put through this. I also understand the fact an investigation was carried out will stay on file for a long time. I’m considering pursuing a judicial review on the basis an initial assessment should have been carried out and the lack of medical evidence did not warrant an investigation.

AIBU to feel like this - or should I just let it go?

OP posts:
Jellyx · 05/08/2023 12:09

CandyflossKaren · 05/08/2023 12:05

Well to be fair we only have OP side of the story here

Exactly

Willmafrockfit · 05/08/2023 12:09

it was nursery's statutory duty to report, they followed procedures,

Morbihanmum33 · 05/08/2023 12:10

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 12:04

@FictionalCharacter
Unexplained AND in an odd place AND on a 2year old (who can't explain well themselves and who should be supervised).

You need to look at all the factors that go into it.

Yes but why strategy meeting and S47, rather than initial enquiries / assessment? I've only heard of automatic S47 for bruising in non mobile infants, and 2022 report said that shouldn't be the case and recommendation is initial assessment first. I'm angry my other kids and their schools were dragged into this.

OP posts:
shockthemonkey · 05/08/2023 12:13

wlana · 05/08/2023 10:26

It seems astonishing that they wasted all that time investigating you, when children who are really being abused aren’t identified and sometimes die as a result.

This! I mean fucking hell.

The number of times SS has decided to return infants to drug-addict parents who live in hovels and either beat up or allow their kids to starve. Not following up, as another PP has pointed out, on geniunely concerning reports. How on earth can they justify their existence, I wonder?

Willmafrockfit · 05/08/2023 12:13

you are angry, bruised and embarrassed.
you will get over it,

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 12:13

@Morbihanmum33
I suspect it was because of where the bruise was.

Porageeater · 05/08/2023 12:13

It must be awful to go through this but I would personally let it go. I don’t think it will do you any good to complain.

It does piss me off however that SS cannot win with some people whatever they do.

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 05/08/2023 12:14

OP, that sounds stressful but I have to say I agree that social services needs to check and it is important. You did nothing wrong, that might not be the case with the next child.

I do a lot of referrals to SS in my job, I would say out of the 30 or so I do every month, SS will investigate maybe 3 of those. Most gets closed without SS ever talking to the parents.

But, I repeat, we report concerns dozens of times to SS (we're a national service though so that's over lots of authorities) and you also have police and schools etc reporting. SS are under huge pressures and won't always get it right, but it's important they take reports seriously as your case had a "happy" ending, many don't. Every concern reported should be investigated imo, but man power doesn't allow that.

Jellycatspyjamas · 05/08/2023 12:15

The number of times SS has decided to return infants to drug-addict parents who live in hovels and either beat up or allow their kids to starve.

Once again, SS don’t have the legal
power to remove a child from or return a child to their parents. That decision is made by the court following a multi-agency assessment that the court can, and do, disregard.

ShinyYellowTeapot · 05/08/2023 12:16

they closed our case on a Monday but I didn't get the letter letting me know that till Friday

@madeofcheeze wow, that is disgusting! No excuse for that. I'm sorry you went through it. Yes, SS need to ensure they investigate thoroughly, but that's just cruel.

6WeekCountdown · 05/08/2023 12:16

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 12:09

Medical staff can't say for sure it was definitely accidental.

You can complain but totally normal and correct procedure to seek siblings views.

It was excellent practice.

They are professional people with well looked after kids, what a waste of space they are. Easy couple of weeks work for them though. Bet they said yes to a brew in their house too 🤣 (my friend is a social worker and says there's only ever been 1 or 2 houses ever she accepted a brew in, the rest she wouldn't even want to sit on the sofa!).

I'd go mad if this was my kids. Teenagers aren't stupid and will know why they are being asked leading questions about their parents. Distressing all round.

Willmafrockfit · 05/08/2023 12:18

professional people harm their children as well

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 12:19

@6WeekCountdown
It's true that many homes visted aren't clean.
Sometimes accepting a cup of tea is a way to help build a relationship.

And no, leading questions are avoided at all costs. I'm a social worker - I know. And where has OP said what questions were asked?

iusedtobeasize8 · 05/08/2023 12:19

CandyflossKaren · 05/08/2023 12:05

Well to be fair we only have OP side of the story here

Exactly. Unexplained thigh bruising could be indicative of pinching or grabbing. That in itself is a reason for investigation. There may be other factors that the OP isn't saying.

Rachie1973 · 05/08/2023 12:19

Morbihanmum33 · 05/08/2023 10:13

Long post - sorry: My husband and I have 4 children, 14, 11, 7 & 2. No prior involvement with social services whatsoever. No ‘risk factors’ - criminal records / addiction issues / mental health problems / domestic violence / no issues at schools. Both of us have enhanced DBS. Professional jobs.

Our family recently had to endure the considerable distress and intrusion of a Section 47 child protection investigation.

Our 2 year old had light bruising across his thighs. Both my husband and I saw it but did not know how he’d done it. We flagged it when we took him to nursery, he is very active, trying to keep up with his bigger brothers. In the last 6 months at nursery, the nursery has filed 6 accident reports for incidents in their care, so they know what he’s like.

They rang me to tell me they had a statutory duty to report the bruises as they were unexplained and on a part of his body not normally associated with bruising. However, they assured me it was routine and nothing to worry about. They told me they made it clear on the referral that they did not believe we were responsible for the bruising.

The next morning a social worker called me and told me I had to take my son for a medical examination. This had to be done at the hospital - 45 mins away - immediately. I was due at work and had an important meeting so asked if it could be another time. I was told they could take my son into care if I did not go.

My son was given an examination by 2 doctors and I was interviewed at length. While waiting the social worker told me this was a Section 47 and that they would also have to see my other 3 children, and could go into their schools that same day if necessary to interview them! They also told me they had chosen not to involve the police at this stage!

The Drs found no evidence of non accidental injury. This was communicated to me and the SW at the time.

Despite this, the investigation still had to run its course over a number of weeks, with a visit to our home and interviews with the other 3 children, and them speaking to our GP and schools.

We all found the whole process deeply distressing and a total invasion of our privacy. I was fraught with worry the entire time. We were made to feel like criminals, with SS adopting a ‘guilty until proven innocent approach’. I’ve been left traumatised by the whole experience.

Having read up on this I understand that bruising in a non mobile infant under 6 months is always a major cause for concern, and some local authorities authorise automatic Section 47’s for referrals like this. However, government guidance is that (even with a non mobile infant) an initial enquiry or assessment should be made with the family before initiating an investigation.

Secondly, my child is fully mobile and the original referral explicitly said the bruising was not considered suspicious - so I do not understand why this was escalated in this way.

The cases (against all 4 of my children!) have been closed, but I’m so angry we were put through this. I also understand the fact an investigation was carried out will stay on file for a long time. I’m considering pursuing a judicial review on the basis an initial assessment should have been carried out and the lack of medical evidence did not warrant an investigation.

AIBU to feel like this - or should I just let it go?

It’s terrifying isn’t it?

My grandchildren live with me, due to neglect of the parents. We’d raised concerns with Social Services for Months and months before a social worker noticed a ‘bruise’ on my grandsons back.

That was the final trigger, but of all the things wrong this wasn’t actually the problem we were concerned about. Kids removed immediately, put into foster care. When I stepped up I found out I was in the potential ‘pool of perpetrators’ because I’d been with him within the previous 2 weeks.

it took 7 months of formal investigations and interviews and court hearings before we were officially ruled out of any wrongdoing. In fact it was decided there was no evidence of any physical abuse of the children at all.

The parents are simply unable to look after their children due to a combination of mental health issues, learning disabilities and substance abuse.

We were granted an SGO on them. End of story so you’d think.

But no, it damaged us, in little insidious ways you’d not imagine. Any bump or bruise terrifies us. I am constantly informing the nursery of the smallest of marks in case someone accuses us of hurting them. The 4 year old just learned to ride her bike, you can imagine her shins right now.

Our school is amazing at supporting and reassuring us, but the fear remains. Bizarrely the original ‘bruise’ was a birthmark, as we knew already. A mark that is repeated on both his younger sisters. Once that train starts though it is quite literally impossible to stop until it reaches its stop.

Jellycatspyjamas · 05/08/2023 12:20

*they closed our case on a Monday but I didn't get the letter letting me know that till Friday

@madeofcheeze wow, that is disgusting! No excuse for that. I'm sorry you went through it. Yes, SS need to ensure they investigate thoroughly, but that's just cruel.*

Not necessarily cruel. The social worker closes their case on Monday, the closure then is signed off by a Senior or Team Leader including reviewing the assessment and closing report. The file then goes to admin for the letter to be typed, back to the social worker to check and sign the letter which is then posted. Even if everyone is in the office it’ll take a couple of days for the letter to go out.

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 12:20

@6WeekCountdown
I hope the parents explained to their teenagers (alongside social work) what was going on and why their view is important- in order to minimise any distress or upset. That's good practice /parenting.

PicaK · 05/08/2023 12:22

This is an upsetting experience for you but honestly get over yourself.
Your child is 2 - you're supposed to watch them all the time at that age and even if you couldn't pinpoint the minute they had a big bump you should have had a rough idea. So that's a big red flag.
Thank god - for the sake of the kids that need it - that the social workers are willing to investigate.

Tisfortired · 05/08/2023 12:23

Hi OP, we went through almost identical with nursery. My DS is 9 now and 3 when it happened but it was without a doubt the worst time of my life and took me a long time to get over it. I have another DS now (under 1) and I am so scared about him going to nursery and having to go through it again.

With retrospect I understand that from their perspective better safe than sorry and in some cases the children are genuinely being abused but that didn’t help me at the time! I barely ate or slept for the whole investigation. We got a report closing the case and I have never read it, I can’t.

Im glad the ordeal is over for you and your family and good luck with whatever you decide to do!

Thesearmsofmine · 05/08/2023 12:23

Social services as a whole needs a massive overhaul, sadly it won’t happen as it would be hugely expensive and people don’t really care enough to push for it until a sad story appears in the news, people say how awful it is and the lessons must be learnt line is trotted out in the news and it is forgotten until next time.

I’m sorry you went through this OP.

CandyflossKaren · 05/08/2023 12:24

That first phone all.....you had a work meeting

How much protest did you put up on the phone?

You sound like you are implying that you are above an abuse investigation because you are 'professionals'!

Graasspp · 05/08/2023 12:24

truthfully Yabu. Ss also ask/investigate who else might have hurt your child, who else is alone with them etc. so if it was me, I’d be glad they did this

Twyford · 05/08/2023 12:25

Judicial review won't get off the ground. If you want to pursue this, a complaint would be the way to go. But do you want to spend the next year or two of your life going over what happened?

Twyford · 05/08/2023 12:27

unique78 · 05/08/2023 10:52

SS are an absolute joke. They'll go after decent families with much loved and cared for kids for spurious reasons, but the families where the kids are genuinely at risk are pretty much left alone.

This is simply not true. There are thousands of children who have been removed from abusive and neglectful families who can confirm it.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 05/08/2023 12:27

It’s always the same on here when a MNetter faces SS. It’s always a ‘waste of time’, they’re always ‘professional people’ and they should go an bother someone else.

Yet when a child is abused or hurt it’s always “why were they not involved” and “why didn’t they ask questions”

If we want to protect children then SS need to be able to investigate parents. Abusive parents don’t wear labels on their foreheads. Nice professional people harm their children too.

The policy can’t be “investigate anything that seems suspicious unless the parent is a nice, professional MNetter”