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AIBU to be angry we were subjected to Social Services Section 47 Investigation?

733 replies

Morbihanmum33 · 05/08/2023 10:13

Long post - sorry: My husband and I have 4 children, 14, 11, 7 & 2. No prior involvement with social services whatsoever. No ‘risk factors’ - criminal records / addiction issues / mental health problems / domestic violence / no issues at schools. Both of us have enhanced DBS. Professional jobs.

Our family recently had to endure the considerable distress and intrusion of a Section 47 child protection investigation.

Our 2 year old had light bruising across his thighs. Both my husband and I saw it but did not know how he’d done it. We flagged it when we took him to nursery, he is very active, trying to keep up with his bigger brothers. In the last 6 months at nursery, the nursery has filed 6 accident reports for incidents in their care, so they know what he’s like.

They rang me to tell me they had a statutory duty to report the bruises as they were unexplained and on a part of his body not normally associated with bruising. However, they assured me it was routine and nothing to worry about. They told me they made it clear on the referral that they did not believe we were responsible for the bruising.

The next morning a social worker called me and told me I had to take my son for a medical examination. This had to be done at the hospital - 45 mins away - immediately. I was due at work and had an important meeting so asked if it could be another time. I was told they could take my son into care if I did not go.

My son was given an examination by 2 doctors and I was interviewed at length. While waiting the social worker told me this was a Section 47 and that they would also have to see my other 3 children, and could go into their schools that same day if necessary to interview them! They also told me they had chosen not to involve the police at this stage!

The Drs found no evidence of non accidental injury. This was communicated to me and the SW at the time.

Despite this, the investigation still had to run its course over a number of weeks, with a visit to our home and interviews with the other 3 children, and them speaking to our GP and schools.

We all found the whole process deeply distressing and a total invasion of our privacy. I was fraught with worry the entire time. We were made to feel like criminals, with SS adopting a ‘guilty until proven innocent approach’. I’ve been left traumatised by the whole experience.

Having read up on this I understand that bruising in a non mobile infant under 6 months is always a major cause for concern, and some local authorities authorise automatic Section 47’s for referrals like this. However, government guidance is that (even with a non mobile infant) an initial enquiry or assessment should be made with the family before initiating an investigation.

Secondly, my child is fully mobile and the original referral explicitly said the bruising was not considered suspicious - so I do not understand why this was escalated in this way.

The cases (against all 4 of my children!) have been closed, but I’m so angry we were put through this. I also understand the fact an investigation was carried out will stay on file for a long time. I’m considering pursuing a judicial review on the basis an initial assessment should have been carried out and the lack of medical evidence did not warrant an investigation.

AIBU to feel like this - or should I just let it go?

OP posts:
Pontiouspilate · 05/08/2023 15:37

My daughter had quite bad bruising across her thighs after getting stuck in a tyre at school…..

yes I would complain. It’s an insane waste of resources going to the wrong place

onefinemess · 05/08/2023 15:38

DinnaeFashYersel · 05/08/2023 10:51

I understand and sympathise but I think social services were correct to investigate.

Why?

onefinemess · 05/08/2023 15:39

Sugargliderwombat · 05/08/2023 11:01

OP I really feel for you and its so wrong that social workers are having to waste their time on this. I'm sure it wasn't any of them personally who did this, but instead some kind of initial paperwork error or miscommunication. Also, unfortunately you don't 100% know what the nursery wrote, I know from handovers that nursery often tell parents things to keep the peace and avoid potential conflict. They could well have been much harsher than the person who spoke to you made out.

I think its worth exploring a complaints procedure with social services. Not against the social workers personally but if procedure wasn't followed this could prevent time wasting with other families in the future.

I guess try and move on from it and know that social services are just trying to protect children and it's the system that's broken, not the people who actually had to investigate you.

Why not hold the social workers personally to account?

They're the ones doing it.

Stomacharmeleon · 05/08/2023 15:41

It's not an insane waste of time for SS as abusers lie to get away with abuse. Of course they have to investigate and so they should.

TheFireflies · 05/08/2023 15:41

Museya15 · 05/08/2023 11:26

They did it because they like to go after professional people rather than the kids parents that get reported all the time and after one report don't bother to follow up the rest as they're from a sink estate and so the kid continues to be abused. It's the same with the police they rub there hands in glee at arresting a person with no criminal history, own home, great job etc etc, just for dropping litter or skipping a red light just as it turns. They love it.

This couldn’t be more wrong. In fact, it’s more common for abused children in middle or upper class families to go unseen because of a tendency to assume they’re “nice” families.

TheFireflies · 05/08/2023 15:42

onefinemess · 05/08/2023 15:38

Why?

Because if they don’t investigate referrals about unexplained and unusual bruising, how will they ever know if there’s anything going on?

onefinemess · 05/08/2023 15:43

Oloi · 05/08/2023 11:14

Most people who must be DBS checked and work in professional jobs would be trained to safeguard the vulnerable, and know this means reporting concerns, even if not sure.

The investigation has shown what you knew to be true, but as far as anyone else knew, there might have been issues to be uncovered and stopped. This was all in your children's best interests, and the process will save others.

Yeah, how exactly will it "save others"?

Please explain how terrorising an innocent family will "save" someone else?

onefinemess · 05/08/2023 15:44

TheFireflies · 05/08/2023 15:42

Because if they don’t investigate referrals about unexplained and unusual bruising, how will they ever know if there’s anything going on?

Oh that old excuse. 🙄

TheFireflies · 05/08/2023 15:45

onefinemess · 05/08/2023 15:44

Oh that old excuse. 🙄

Excuse?

Is there some magical other way to know which children are being abused then? If there is, please do share it.

TheFireflies · 05/08/2023 15:46

I bet some of these people banging on about social services terrorising innocent families are also the first to bang on about social workers having blood on their hands when children die.

onefinemess · 05/08/2023 15:46

TheFireflies · 05/08/2023 15:42

Because if they don’t investigate referrals about unexplained and unusual bruising, how will they ever know if there’s anything going on?

The bruising was explained and how is it unusual for a child to get bruised? A dog jumping up or a sibling playing could cause a bruise.

It's nonsense to suggest that every single bruise should result in threats and intimidation from the state.

TheFireflies · 05/08/2023 15:48

onefinemess · 05/08/2023 15:46

The bruising was explained and how is it unusual for a child to get bruised? A dog jumping up or a sibling playing could cause a bruise.

It's nonsense to suggest that every single bruise should result in threats and intimidation from the state.

It wasn’t explained. OP clearly said she didn’t know how it happened, and it was bruising to thighs in an area which is unusual to be bruised in a child.

Of course every single bruise doesn’t result in an investigation (not a threat) but these bruises were thought unusual by nursery staff, hence the referral.

onefinemess · 05/08/2023 15:48

crapactually · 05/08/2023 11:06

@Morbihanmum33 it sounds very distressing and it's horrible that your family went through that.

I hope you can all process and heal from your experiences.

I just don't know what people want or expect from social services though. There will always be cases where concerns are proven to be incorrect but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have been pursued in the first place.

How about some common sense.

How about decency and compassion instead of threats and intimidation?

onefinemess · 05/08/2023 15:51

WhosAfraidOfVirginalWolves · 05/08/2023 11:14

Exactly. And if SS didn't follow up on the seemingly trivial and minor referrals, there'd be a lot more of them.

No there wouldn't be. That's like saying if you get a speeding ticket you will devolve into a serial killer.

How many serious cases of abuse have ever been identified at a nursery from a little bruise?

crapactually · 05/08/2023 15:52

@onefinemess I have no idea why you've chosen to quote me when I was showing the OP compassion in the post you quoted.

What's your point?

dancingdaisies · 05/08/2023 15:52

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crapactually · 05/08/2023 15:53

Also, can you point out where the OP has said they were threatened or intimidated? @onefinemess

onefinemess · 05/08/2023 15:53

Emmacb82 · 05/08/2023 11:15

Social services can’t win at the end of the day. Every time there is a tragic case where a child ends up dead there is outcry over how social services failed them. And yet, when an innocent family are investigated, SS are labelled as a joke and how unnecessary it was. At the end of the day without an investigation, how are they supposed to know what has happened and how. Of course it is traumatic when you know you are innocent, and I can understand why you still feel that way now, but in order to protect poor innocent children, that is the way it has to be.

Oh that old "protect the innocent" nonsense, so the state can abuse and make threats to an innocent family and that's OK by you. As long as it "protects the poor innocent children".

What about the distress the OP's children went through?

Do they not matter?

Dhama · 05/08/2023 15:53

FictionalCharacter · 05/08/2023 15:36

Excellent point.

This is not an excellent point at all. A strategy meeting can be called following a referral without an initial assessment if it is thought the child is, or has been, at significant risk of harm.

All professionals, so csc, health, police and nursery in this case decide whether the threshold for enquiries has been met. In this case the majority clearly felt it had, they felt a CP medical was needed.

Skinthin · 05/08/2023 15:54

TheFireflies · 05/08/2023 15:46

I bet some of these people banging on about social services terrorising innocent families are also the first to bang on about social workers having blood on their hands when children die.

If they are, they’d be absolutely correct. These issues are two sides of the very same coin. Misdirected , disproportionate and unnecessary referrals/ investigations are part of the reason that the system is overwhelmed, and actual cases of abuse are not being picked up.

you have all my sympathy OP and I would definitely make a complaint and ask for a situation. Just because a case is referred does not mean it should go straight to a section 47 investigation. Something has either gone wrong here, or all is not what it seems. You should hold the system to account and try to get to the bottom of it if you have the strength to do so x

Skinthin · 05/08/2023 15:56

Dhama · 05/08/2023 15:53

This is not an excellent point at all. A strategy meeting can be called following a referral without an initial assessment if it is thought the child is, or has been, at significant risk of harm.

All professionals, so csc, health, police and nursery in this case decide whether the threshold for enquiries has been met. In this case the majority clearly felt it had, they felt a CP medical was needed.

Yes but the point is what basis did social services have for thinking the child was at significant risk of harm? Bruising on legs of a mobile child is absolutely not sufficient to trigger this concern alone. Especially if nursery are telling the truth in saying that they didn’t think there was cause for concern in their referral.

onefinemess · 05/08/2023 15:57

gogomoto · 05/08/2023 11:20

They have to always fully investigate, every year children die from neglect and abuse. They do not know you, they cannot make assumptions that because you are a nice family it isn't abuse because some abusers do look from the outside like they are nice families! Dbs (I'm a safeguarding officer!) just means someone hasn't been caught.

Yes it's tough on you but I would prefer 100 unnecessary investigations than another child die.

So you'd be OK with being dragged out of your car and strip searched at random by the police looking for drugs?

I'd prefer 100 innocent people were degraded in such a manner than another person deal drugs.

🙄

Dhama · 05/08/2023 15:59

Skinthin · 05/08/2023 15:56

Yes but the point is what basis did social services have for thinking the child was at significant risk of harm? Bruising on legs of a mobile child is absolutely not sufficient to trigger this concern alone. Especially if nursery are telling the truth in saying that they didn’t think there was cause for concern in their referral.

Well I’d say that the referral and whatever nursery said would have been the reason. So if I were OP I’d be wanting to see a copy of the original referral.

onefinemess · 05/08/2023 16:02

crapactually · 05/08/2023 15:53

Also, can you point out where the OP has said they were threatened or intimidated? @onefinemess

Try reading the OP!

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 16:08

@Skinthin
It's not as simple as bruising on a mobile child.
It's the placement of brushes, the age of child (and the inherent risk that comes with being age 2) AND that it was unexplained - how did a child injure itself to bruising and the parents not know- possible lack of supervision (resulting in injury) and possible physical abuse. Investigation is a no brainer here.

Nursery has enough of a concern to contact social work - as they should have.