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Flexible working revoked - help!!

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Tiredofbeingtired1 · 05/08/2023 07:59

Looking for a sounding board for a problem I'm having at work. Not sure what to do really...

So, I had a baby and returned after a 9 month maternity leave, but when my son was 5 months old, I discussed my return to work with my boss (male).

(I work as a PA for two people who own and run the company)

I asked to return to work 5 days a week, but to work 2 days from home and also if I could leave at 4.30pm instead of my contracted finish of 5pm in order to pick up my son from nursery. I was told that none of this was a problem and that I didn't need to be in when my boss wasn't in (he also worked 3 days a week in the office).

So I returned to work with this set up and did absolutely everything to make this work, which included working through lunch breaks and responding to emails from 6am-10pm 7 days a week.

After 8 months of this being in place, I was told (in the middle of the office, not privately) that they were going to need to ask me to return to the office 4 days a week as they couldn't give me something they weren't giving to the rest of the staff. I was assured that this had nothing to do with my performance as they know I'm working all the time, but purely to do with what other people in the office are allowed.

I had many discussions with them about the impact of this on me, and that it would cost me almost an extra £400 in childcare costs per month, to which I was told effectively that if I can't afford to have kids, I shouldn't have them.

At this point, two other women were having their working from home revoked, but they had had it for 11 and 14 years, and their children were in secondary school by this point.

In the discussions for this, my boss (female) had suggested to me that on the extra day I was being asked to work in the office, I could leave early. This was purely her idea and was even suggesting around lunchtime.

After all my protests, I was told they would get back to me...however 5 months later nobody had. As this was being requested to start in September, I approached my boss (female) last week to discuss it before my holiday, and her holiday. She seemed surprised, but thankful that I had put the wheels in motion and was making this happening and agreed that it had kind of been forgotten about (not by me, I can assure you!). When I then raised her idea of leaving early on the extra day in the office, she didn't seem to recall this conversation and actually seemed quite annoyed by it, asking "how early?". I suggested 3.30pm instead of 4.30pm, and as I could see that this request wasn't going down well, I suggested it be for the first 3 weeks to help my son settle in (as this also coincides with him moving to preschool).

She then said that we need to review my leaving at 4.30pm on other days, and would I be willing to leave at 5pm (my contracted time) instead. I said that it wasn't a case of being willing, but that if I left at that time, I wouldn't be able to make it to the nursery before they shut. She seemed in disbelief that it would take me that long to get home, but I pointed out that whilst Google might suggest it is an hour, that is if I hit all my connections and there is no traffic. In practice, this is never the case, and it it always takes me around 1 hour 20 mins.

Her reasoning for asking me to leave at 5pm was again, for parity across the office, but also in case her or my other boss need something urgent between 4.30-5pm. Whilst I understand this, in practice I don't think this is actually the case, as all day I am asked for very little and I am the proactive one asking if they need things all the time. I can't believe that something urgent would be regularly happening in the last 30 mins of the day.

She also said that if they finish a meeting after 4.30pm and I am gone, they might need something, and it's not fair on other members of staff as it puts more pressure on them. Whilst this is true, I have been back through the diaries and in the 201 days I have worked back in the office, they have had meetings that have gone beyond 4.30pm 18 times. Also, they have never had someone come to the office for a meeting that starts after 4.30pm.

Therefore I feel that this isn't a reflection of what actually happens. I can't believe that they ask for very little all day, but in that last 30 mins something urgent comes up. She also acknowledged that I am on email my whole journey home, but it's if something happens that I am needed in person. She accepted the fact I work through my lunch, and from early morning until late evening on emails, but that it was not about total hours worked.

For context, my company are very anti flexible working. I joined 3 days before lockdown in 2020, and went on maternity leave in July 2021, so had spent a massive amount of my employment working from home. They are on a drive to get people back to the office and don't want anyone working from home. They recently conducted a staff survey, and in that almost every member of the office requested more flexibility with working from home. Therefore they are begrudgingly reviewing it, but it seems they are missing the point that flexible working doesn't have to be the exact same conditions for everyone and that it is a case by case scenario.

I am unsure as to whether I am being unreasonable, or if not, how hard to push on this - especially given that I was told by my boss (male) that he asked if he could get rid of me when I told him I was pregnant!!

We are a small team and don't have an official HR department. We recently just got a freelance HR person in, but I'm unsure as to how much I trust them yet. Also, in my capacity as a PA I work very closely with my bosses and maintaining a good relationship is important. I'm not trying to rock the boat or get special privileges, but it's hard to make things work when the agreement keeps changing. I returned to work based on certain conditions and I set my life up around them.

Any advice would be so gratefully received as it is keeping me up at night!

Thank you!

OP posts:
Glide · 12/08/2023 23:10

@Tiredofbeingtired1 Unfortunately, flexible working is not a right. The onus is on the employee to ensure their personal commitments do not conflict with business needs. You would expect employers to be reasonable and considerate of their employees needs too but this isn't always the case. Try and be diplomatic as much as possible in your discussions with your manager coming from the perspective that them honouring your request would be a privilege and would really make a huge difference for you as opposed to being demanding. If the answer is still no, then the only option is to look for another job. We are parents by choice. As much as we love our kids and expect everyone else to, we shouldn't expect the world to revolve around us

theyareonlynoodlesmichael · 13/08/2023 10:40

Glide · 12/08/2023 23:10

@Tiredofbeingtired1 Unfortunately, flexible working is not a right. The onus is on the employee to ensure their personal commitments do not conflict with business needs. You would expect employers to be reasonable and considerate of their employees needs too but this isn't always the case. Try and be diplomatic as much as possible in your discussions with your manager coming from the perspective that them honouring your request would be a privilege and would really make a huge difference for you as opposed to being demanding. If the answer is still no, then the only option is to look for another job. We are parents by choice. As much as we love our kids and expect everyone else to, we shouldn't expect the world to revolve around us

That is no longer the case. The employer now has to demonstrate why it would not work. Its no longer the responsibility of the employee to evidence impact.

sunglassesonthetable · 13/08/2023 13:05

That is no longer the case. The employer now has to demonstrate why it would not work. Its no longer the responsibility of the employee to evidence impact.

This.

Times have changed. Not that you'd know it from some of the replies on this thread.

Sausageandchips123 · 16/10/2023 15:52

I’ve been offered a remote job (300 miles away) from site base and I’ve had to ask for a flexi working request to be completed for it to be a perm basis im
nervous about accepting the job if they could revoke it and expect me to travel!

SpainToday · 16/10/2023 16:01

Sausageandchips123 · 16/10/2023 15:52

I’ve been offered a remote job (300 miles away) from site base and I’ve had to ask for a flexi working request to be completed for it to be a perm basis im
nervous about accepting the job if they could revoke it and expect me to travel!

Just make sure its all clear and in writing. Given the distance, no employer could reasonably change the goalposts if it was all agreed at the start (unless they're going to fly you to work?!)

Sausageandchips123 · 16/10/2023 16:10

Yeah exactly she’s stated on emails there would be no expectation for me to attend on site just makes me question things considering I was the one to ask about it being drawn up formally on a flexi working req? I also have to attend on site for my induction I’ve ask why she said it’s standard policy again red flags??

1980F · 16/10/2023 16:13

So I returned to work with this set up and did absolutely everything to make this work, which included working through lunch breaks and responding to emails from 6am-10pm 7 days a week.

wtf they are taking the piss. Look for another job seriously. Get yourself on linked in, get that all up to date, put yourself as “open for work” and get networking. Put your cv out there, check out “working mums” for flexible working jobs. Even if you take on something temporary just get out. Vote with your feet

SpainToday · 16/10/2023 16:41

Sausageandchips123 · 16/10/2023 16:10

Yeah exactly she’s stated on emails there would be no expectation for me to attend on site just makes me question things considering I was the one to ask about it being drawn up formally on a flexi working req? I also have to attend on site for my induction I’ve ask why she said it’s standard policy again red flags??

Just be careful about your terminology - where I work (public sector) hybrid and remote working are different issues to flexible working. Hybrid/remote is about WHERE you work, but a flexi working request could be (for example) you always finish early on Tuesdays due to childcare.

Sausageandchips123 · 16/10/2023 17:40

I agree I’ve been told they don’t issue full remote contracts anymore so it’s agreed local level on a flexi working request (it’s NHS) I haven’t doubts but they couldn’t expect someone 300 miles away to commute surely? It’s just trusting intentions for me it’s a hard one 😭

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