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Costa using Pride image of girl with breasts removed to support trans?

314 replies

Tryingmuchharder · 01/08/2023 09:17

"Costa Coffee was today accused of glamourising 'complex and dangerous surgery' by covering a van with a cartoon image featuring mastectomy scars.
The UK's largest coffee chain defended its use of the image to promote 'inclusivity and diversity' but was branded 'crass and irresponsible' and 'absolutely bonkers' – and there were calls for a boycott of the company on social media.
The image, depicting an androgynous-looking character wearing long shorts with scars below each nipple, is taken from a mural designed by the chain for Brighton and Hove Pride last year."

I find the attempt to 'normalise' the removal of perfectly healthy breasts because someone feels more masculine is wrong. AIBU

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Datun · 01/08/2023 15:02

Nevertheless, the evidence shows there is potential that exposure to different forms of media including advertising, particularly those that focus on body image ‘improvements’ such as cosmetic intervention procedures, is likely to exacerbate body image dissatisfaction and negativity during vulnerable stages of their lives. '

The polar opposite of helping or supporting youngsters.

Beowulfa · 01/08/2023 15:03

SunnyEgg · 01/08/2023 15:01

What does this even mean?

What are you referring to

I think the poster means we're being awfully mean in not pretending a cartoon woman with mastectomy scars and short hair is literally and actually a man.

Tryingmuchharder · 01/08/2023 15:05

Datun · 01/08/2023 15:02

Nevertheless, the evidence shows there is potential that exposure to different forms of media including advertising, particularly those that focus on body image ‘improvements’ such as cosmetic intervention procedures, is likely to exacerbate body image dissatisfaction and negativity during vulnerable stages of their lives. '

The polar opposite of helping or supporting youngsters.

Yes.

Keep telling these vulnerable young girls that they are in the wrong body and that surgery or puberty blockers will help them! They have poor self image, poor self esteem and some body dysmorphia others just a feeling that they don't like their own body and if they lop bits off or take drugs to grow more body hair and alter their female form to a more 'masculine' form then all will be good. The evidence shows this doesn't work.

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ResisterRex · 01/08/2023 15:06

Maya and RMW on LBC now about this

twitter.com/mforstater/status/1686375862026006528?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 15:09

ResisterRex · 01/08/2023 15:06

Fantastic. I hope there's video footage.

viques · 01/08/2023 15:10

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Tryingmuchharder · 01/08/2023 15:11

This video is very sad. A trans man who transitioned from being a female believing that he could become a man. He identifies as a man but realises he was sold a lie and that no matter what he does he cannot be a man and isn't accepted as one. I think the expression is a 'fake man'

Transgender man says he REGRETS his transition | 'It's cosmetic surgery, it doesn't fix anything'

'Transgender is cosmetic surgery, it doesn't fix anything. It makes mental health worse and the health complications are astronomical.' Nana Akua speaks to S...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZtwom8_J6o

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Moonberri · 01/08/2023 15:12

Beezknees · 01/08/2023 10:08

I could not care less. If someone wants to chop off their boobs, it's up to them. People are free to do whatever body modifications they like to themselves. If they regret it later, that's their problem.

Even if the NHS is paying for it? Not just the first surgery but the follow up surgeries, medication, counselling when it goes wrong?

Tryingmuchharder · 01/08/2023 15:12

'He' says that transgender is cosmetic surgery and that it doesn't fix anything - it made mental health worse etc..

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Tryingmuchharder · 01/08/2023 15:16

Another one here who regrets changing their body.

Yet society is promoting it as normal - more mistakes for the future.

I wish Costa and the rest of the businesses would just do what they need to do and stay out of the promotion of not being good enough as you are so change it bullshit.

You cannot change your sex!

De-Transitioner: Here’s What Her Doctors Didn’t Tell Her

Dr Peterson and Chloe Cole walk through her early childhood as she was going through puberty leading up to her transition. Jordan breaks down her gender dysp...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doaHPFWEa7E

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SunnyEgg · 01/08/2023 15:16

Beowulfa · 01/08/2023 15:03

I think the poster means we're being awfully mean in not pretending a cartoon woman with mastectomy scars and short hair is literally and actually a man.

Oh.

Dubious. Definitely not the most pressing issue there

Tryingmuchharder · 01/08/2023 15:18

Another one who was "ENCOURAGED TO TRANSITIONED' and now regrets it.

"The thousands of children who think going down the trans path will magically cure them"

My Trans tragedy: 'Everything that I read told me that I had to transition' | Billy Burleigh

'Everything that I read told me that I had to transition. that I possibly had a birth defect... and to fix that birth defect, I had to change my body to matc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yDrzH_-lA0

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Tryingmuchharder · 01/08/2023 15:19

I won't post anymore but there are lots and lots and growing in number. If you are a parent don't get swept along with the bullshit affirmation and believe that you are doing your best by getting them to see a doctor who will pop on puberty blockers.

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Tryingmuchharder · 01/08/2023 15:22

Last one I promise although I could post so many of these 'lost souls' as described by the individual who have transitioned and then regretted it down the road...

Maybe some of the young people who think they are in the 'wrong body' at school might watch the stories of young people who went before them down the transitioning road. Meanwhile big business who think they are being inclusive share pictures of mutilated bodies to normalise this disaster.

Detransitioner Oli London Credits Jesus, Church With Stopping Trans Surgeries: 'I Was...Very Lost'

Social media influencer Oli London said rediscovering faith helped convince him to detransition, stop life-altering gender reassignment surgeries, and turn h...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKDbPkTcObE

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Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 01/08/2023 15:33

ArabeIIaScott · 01/08/2023 15:09

Fantastic. I hope there's video footage.

I missed Robin but this is excellent listening

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 01/08/2023 15:50

Phone call from Freda now

BrightGreenMoonBuggy · 01/08/2023 15:58

Will they post someone with self-harm scars, anorexia or a person who thinks they are ugly and who has had repeated surgery to ‘fix’ their body dysphoria, I wonder? Or is it only hatred and of your sexed body that’s celebratory and fun?

HooverIsAlwaysBroken · 01/08/2023 15:59

@Ladyoftheknight how do you know what the cartoon identifies as?

I find the mastectomy scars sad. Do you mean that mastectomy means that we don’t need to ask for preferred pronouns and just assume “male”?

ResisterRex · 01/08/2023 16:27

Just seen tweeted, a re-post from 2020. It's no wonder many young girls are running from womanhood. It's so sad:

objectnow.org/what-about-the-girls/

twitter.com/pankhurstem/status/1686274735611531264?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Moonberri · 01/08/2023 16:32

Costa's complaints form is mysteriously unavailable on its website.

VickyEadieofThigh · 01/08/2023 16:53

Moonberri · 01/08/2023 16:32

Costa's complaints form is mysteriously unavailable on its website.

I've just filled it out!

contactus.costa.co.uk

Moonberri · 01/08/2023 17:04

Thank you, your link worked. I am a breast cancer survivor and have complained about the glamourising of traumatic surgery.

SunnyEgg · 01/08/2023 17:04

Are people doing ASA?

lifeturnsonadime · 01/08/2023 17:15

Isn't this the thing that Helen Joyce was talking about the other day?

Effectively it is uncomfortable for many people to admit that this is doing children harm. Especially those who have put their kids on this pathway. So normalising this is necessary and calling those who object bigots is also necessary.

And, before anyone jumps down my throats to tell me that kids cannot get double mastectomies on the NHS, I know but children as young as 13 are getting them in the US and social transitioning leads to young adults wanting to remove their healthy breasts.

It's all vile and anyone who supports this needs to take should reevaluate how THEY live their lives.

Harming vulnerable young people v misgendering cartoons?

There's only one of those that's truly objectionable isn't there?