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Costa using Pride image of girl with breasts removed to support trans?

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Tryingmuchharder · 01/08/2023 09:17

"Costa Coffee was today accused of glamourising 'complex and dangerous surgery' by covering a van with a cartoon image featuring mastectomy scars.
The UK's largest coffee chain defended its use of the image to promote 'inclusivity and diversity' but was branded 'crass and irresponsible' and 'absolutely bonkers' – and there were calls for a boycott of the company on social media.
The image, depicting an androgynous-looking character wearing long shorts with scars below each nipple, is taken from a mural designed by the chain for Brighton and Hove Pride last year."

I find the attempt to 'normalise' the removal of perfectly healthy breasts because someone feels more masculine is wrong. AIBU

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ResisterRex · 01/08/2023 20:49

An incredible, and incredibly thoughtful thread:

twitter.com/tvart4us/status/1686440377572573184?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

"It’s Costa them a lot of customers
🧵
There was a lot of opinion pieces on the radio today about the fantastic well thought out, not at all creepy Costa marketing material. The artwork showing a “Transman” with double mastectomy scars has caused outrage. We all know advertisers

climb on any current bandwagon that fits their brief but this one seemed vastly inappropriate for a coffee ad. I remember when the only controversial coffee ad was a man pretending to be a percolator. I mean I’m down with the kids, I don’t mind a controversial ad but

Somehow Costa managed to offend and upset vast numbers of their customers. Today I listened to an elderly man desperately upset that Costa were glorifying something that had emotionally and physically taken a huge toll on his wife, a breast cancer sufferer. She couldn’t call in

Because she had died. I also heard a PR “expert” telling @ TalkTV that Costa were one of the best allies of trans people and want to show that Trans folk are safe and welcome in their establishments. I mean Thank God because otherwise they might consider boiling a kettle.

I can just imagine Skyler desperate for a £6 Frappuccino standing at the door of the local Costa shaking nervously as they wonder if they are safe and welcome there. Come on, anyone with a functioning bank card (sorry Nige but I’m sure you’re sorted now) is welcome in Costa

As far as I can see Costas decision was the result of one of 2 things

  1. They really care about the trans community so much they are happy to lose customers who don’t “share their values”
Or
  1. Trans and Rainbow campaigns get them woke points and pats of the back by men who wear

5k pound suits and don’t give a crap about young girls mental wellbeing.
I know which one I’d put money on (I mean I’ll save some now I can’t buy overpriced coffee anymore)
There will be different reason people give for not liking the artwork, all of which will be transphobic of

course but for me it’s this. It’s promotion of the idea of trans euphoria, that if you just remove your breasts you can be free and happy. It doesn’t show the full picture though does it? Doesn’t show the pain, the complications, the effect of losing so much breast tissue,

Necropsy of the nipple, it doesn’t show the girls who regretted it. It’s promotion of surgery to a group who we are often told don’t need surgery to be who they are? So will Costa therefore have a Transman with double D boobs on their advertising? I’m serious, huge boobs please

It’s ridiculous how so much of this ideology contradicts itself & how so much is harmful to women & girls. We’ve been swept into the corner and ignored despite banging the drum on this for years. The promotion of this ideology from businesses, public services and schools must end

We are telling a generation of girls that they will be boys if they just cut their breasts off. They are throwing away part of the body that feeds babies, a part of the body so connected to every inch of you that they even like to remind u you’re on a period. it.That’s why breast

Removal should only be done when absolutely medically necessary. I don’t believe that all the kids with these scars are now happy, they are being told to be and coerced into accepting their mutilated bodies to keep this Trans train on the track. Anything that sews doubt in these

Kids could cost the medical industry millions. So while Instagram tells girls to make them bigger, companies tell girls to lop them off. Whatever happened to accepting your body? To finding peace in having a healthy body? I could go on about lack of inclusion of disabled

People in Costa advertising but I’d rather they put decent disabled toilets in the shops first and make the seating area big enough for wheelchairs. Or even for stick users like myself to be able to have somewhere to wait for our drink where we can sit down. Maybe help with

the sugar & napkins etc because as much as I enjoy perching like a flamingo while I hook my stick on a bin in order to further increase my days sugar consumption it would really be nice to be offered some help. But aye…there’s the rub. Disabled people aren’t trendy, there’s the

pink pound, the grey pound but there’s no wonky pound. No one cares. So until Costa stop virtue signalling & promoting surgeries and do something tangible to improve the lives of their customers they can stick their faux inclusiveness up their pathetic percolator #BoycottCosta"

Chequeredred · 01/08/2023 22:07

This is absolutely unacceptable.
Using surgery as cool
advertising.

YouSetTheTone · 01/08/2023 22:20

ResisterRex · 01/08/2023 20:49

An incredible, and incredibly thoughtful thread:

twitter.com/tvart4us/status/1686440377572573184?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

"It’s Costa them a lot of customers
🧵
There was a lot of opinion pieces on the radio today about the fantastic well thought out, not at all creepy Costa marketing material. The artwork showing a “Transman” with double mastectomy scars has caused outrage. We all know advertisers

climb on any current bandwagon that fits their brief but this one seemed vastly inappropriate for a coffee ad. I remember when the only controversial coffee ad was a man pretending to be a percolator. I mean I’m down with the kids, I don’t mind a controversial ad but

Somehow Costa managed to offend and upset vast numbers of their customers. Today I listened to an elderly man desperately upset that Costa were glorifying something that had emotionally and physically taken a huge toll on his wife, a breast cancer sufferer. She couldn’t call in

Because she had died. I also heard a PR “expert” telling @ TalkTV that Costa were one of the best allies of trans people and want to show that Trans folk are safe and welcome in their establishments. I mean Thank God because otherwise they might consider boiling a kettle.

I can just imagine Skyler desperate for a £6 Frappuccino standing at the door of the local Costa shaking nervously as they wonder if they are safe and welcome there. Come on, anyone with a functioning bank card (sorry Nige but I’m sure you’re sorted now) is welcome in Costa

As far as I can see Costas decision was the result of one of 2 things

  1. They really care about the trans community so much they are happy to lose customers who don’t “share their values”
Or
  1. Trans and Rainbow campaigns get them woke points and pats of the back by men who wear

5k pound suits and don’t give a crap about young girls mental wellbeing.
I know which one I’d put money on (I mean I’ll save some now I can’t buy overpriced coffee anymore)
There will be different reason people give for not liking the artwork, all of which will be transphobic of

course but for me it’s this. It’s promotion of the idea of trans euphoria, that if you just remove your breasts you can be free and happy. It doesn’t show the full picture though does it? Doesn’t show the pain, the complications, the effect of losing so much breast tissue,

Necropsy of the nipple, it doesn’t show the girls who regretted it. It’s promotion of surgery to a group who we are often told don’t need surgery to be who they are? So will Costa therefore have a Transman with double D boobs on their advertising? I’m serious, huge boobs please

It’s ridiculous how so much of this ideology contradicts itself & how so much is harmful to women & girls. We’ve been swept into the corner and ignored despite banging the drum on this for years. The promotion of this ideology from businesses, public services and schools must end

We are telling a generation of girls that they will be boys if they just cut their breasts off. They are throwing away part of the body that feeds babies, a part of the body so connected to every inch of you that they even like to remind u you’re on a period. it.That’s why breast

Removal should only be done when absolutely medically necessary. I don’t believe that all the kids with these scars are now happy, they are being told to be and coerced into accepting their mutilated bodies to keep this Trans train on the track. Anything that sews doubt in these

Kids could cost the medical industry millions. So while Instagram tells girls to make them bigger, companies tell girls to lop them off. Whatever happened to accepting your body? To finding peace in having a healthy body? I could go on about lack of inclusion of disabled

People in Costa advertising but I’d rather they put decent disabled toilets in the shops first and make the seating area big enough for wheelchairs. Or even for stick users like myself to be able to have somewhere to wait for our drink where we can sit down. Maybe help with

the sugar & napkins etc because as much as I enjoy perching like a flamingo while I hook my stick on a bin in order to further increase my days sugar consumption it would really be nice to be offered some help. But aye…there’s the rub. Disabled people aren’t trendy, there’s the

pink pound, the grey pound but there’s no wonky pound. No one cares. So until Costa stop virtue signalling & promoting surgeries and do something tangible to improve the lives of their customers they can stick their faux inclusiveness up their pathetic percolator #BoycottCosta"

Fucking BRAVO. This is so spot on.

ghostyslovesheets · 01/08/2023 22:34

The thing is these 'decisions' aren't made in a vacuum

We teach our children about healthy lifestyles and positive body image because we don't want them to develop unhealthy views on weight and make themselves ill - or dead.

But we don't promote healthy sex acceptance - we don't address why (puberty anyone) boy and girls feel uncomfortable in their bodies, might be un comfortable being male/female (childhood trauma, abuse, experiences of harassment due to their sex etc) or that being gay if fine - no we tell them, from an early age - without question that they can change sex, chop the bits off they don't like, we enforce harmful gender stereotypes to helpfully explain why they are in the wrong body etc etc.

Then they seek support from 'professionals' who further enforce the above.

Until THAT changes we have to protect young people from abuse

Tryingmuchharder · 01/08/2023 22:47

What about the girls. How do the parents feel that think they are helping by affirming that their child is in the wrong body and them introducing the likes of Dr W at the gender clinic. Poor girls need help and understanding and not body mutilating and puberty blockers."Part I: Porn Culture.Transgenderism, for teenage girls, is the wrong answer to a woman-and-girl-hating culture. The non-transactivists I know, the normal people who repeat the thought-terminating mantras, when asked to defend the ideology always resort to ‘But what about trans-identified females, what about the girls?’ I respond ‘That’s the point – what about the girls? Girls are being drugged and mutilated because they do not want to fit in the cage designated feminine.Let’s destroy the cage, not the bodies and mental well-being of girls’. I have previously written about how school dress codes sexually objectify and focus on girls’ breasts: this could be one reason for the rise in breast-binding at school.[1] Male culture, the one we live in as a society, is wrong, not the girls.In her 2013 book Misogyny Reloaded, Abigail Bray argued that this global doctrine of woman-hating was a new fascism.[2] Bray warned us that porn, pharmaceutical companies, cosmetic surgeons, self-help and the beauty industry were exploiting a new creed of extreme misogyny to profit off of the bodies and minds of women and girls to the tune of billions."

What about the girls? - OBJECT NOW

‘Trans’ is the Wrong Answer to a Real Problem. What about the girls? This contains upsetting pictures but pre-teen kids see stuff like this daily so why should we warn you? by Dr EM Part I: Porn Culture. Transgenderism, for teenage girls, is the wrong...

https://objectnow.org/what-about-the-girls/#_ftn1

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twelly · 01/08/2023 22:52

I feel that the advert/logo is so offensive that it should be banned

Elephantsdontlikechocolate · 01/08/2023 22:57

Tryingmuchharder · 01/08/2023 10:28

Fair comment.

I agree with a good clinical evidence base. It seems to be the current thing for girls to feel they must be men because they don't fit what some in society feel women should be. We would be more inclusive if we promoted women as being a feminine or masculine or neutral as they want WITHOUT removing body parts and giving puberty blocking hormones.

Agreed. So vile and dangerous to women.

Market1 · 01/08/2023 23:42

FrancescaContini · 01/08/2023 10:17

I’m so sorry, @Market1 and appalled on your behalf. I’m also sending an email of strongly worded complaint. 💐for you and all other women who are personally affected by the unbelievably crass behaviour of this company

Thank you @FrancescaContini

dcbc1234 · 02/08/2023 00:38

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Sorry to say that is the only logical reason I can come up with to explain why so many people who should know better have gone along with it all.
It is multi-stranded though and some of it is simple straightforward 'follow the money' as Helen Joyce says.

Chequeredred · 02/08/2023 08:30

90% of posters agree with you.
YANBU

ResisterRex · 02/08/2023 08:50

Another one. Book for girls about growing up - with one depicted in a binder.

This is supposedly for girls aged 9 and up.

Despicable.

twitter.com/drzoewilliams/status/1656991989756223490?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Gateappreciation · 02/08/2023 09:42

Not sure if it’s been mentioned (haven’t read whole thread), but as well as complaining to Vista, you can complain to ASA (Advertising Standards Agency).

Gateappreciation · 02/08/2023 09:42

Costa not Vista

Whatwouldscullydo · 02/08/2023 09:49

ResisterRex · 02/08/2023 08:50

Another one. Book for girls about growing up - with one depicted in a binder.

This is supposedly for girls aged 9 and up.

Despicable.

twitter.com/drzoewilliams/status/1656991989756223490?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

🤬 it would appear that having reached a time where girls have more choices available than ever before to deal with puberty... periods ( provided there's no medical condition like endo etc in the mix) have never been so catered for. Every supermarket sells first bras too. More choice and easier to get hold of than ever before. And so the efforts ramp up to ensure girls hate themselves. Cant possible have them able to participate in life easily with all these choices etc now can we.

Market1 · 02/08/2023 09:54

Gateappreciation · 02/08/2023 09:42

Not sure if it’s been mentioned (haven’t read whole thread), but as well as complaining to Vista, you can complain to ASA (Advertising Standards Agency).

I have tried the ASA and they don't seem to accept complaints about anything printed on private vehicles. What is vista?

Market1 · 02/08/2023 09:58

Please everybody complain to Costa!! please please please - this is so upsetting for anyone with a double mastectomy for cancer

I can't believe that my pain and disability is being portrayed as something to fantasise about in the advertising world! It is such a vile intrusion of privacy. This has had my younger relatives in tears - some of whom are going through the awful wait to see if they have inherited BRCA1 faults

Here is the page to complain on

https://contactus.costa.co.uk/home/

Contact Us  - Costa Coffee

https://contactus.costa.co.uk/home

ArabeIIaScott · 02/08/2023 10:02

Chequeredred · 02/08/2023 08:30

90% of posters agree with you.
YANBU

Ah, but it's 90% of a mostly female site, and everyone knows women don't drink coffee or have their own money. Costa won't care.

Riverlee · 02/08/2023 10:22

It’ll be interesting to do a straw poll of how busy Costa coffees are at the moment, so if anyone is passing one, can they report back?

@ArabeIIaScott Lots of mums and babies/toddlers meet up in Costa so I would think that’s a core market (or were you being ironic?).

Vista - auto correct. Should have been Costa.

Annalisatheantelope · 02/08/2023 10:27

Won't be going in here again. Another company which will go woke to go broke.

castlecorfe · 02/08/2023 10:29

So true haha!!

imed · 02/08/2023 10:41

Just walked past- almost empty ( could be the rain though)
Joined a long queue in an independent...

ArabeIIaScott · 02/08/2023 10:47

Riverlee · 02/08/2023 10:22

It’ll be interesting to do a straw poll of how busy Costa coffees are at the moment, so if anyone is passing one, can they report back?

@ArabeIIaScott Lots of mums and babies/toddlers meet up in Costa so I would think that’s a core market (or were you being ironic?).

Vista - auto correct. Should have been Costa.

Yes, sorry, re-adjusting my sarcasm dial again. When I get angry it goes a bit haywire sometimes. 🙂

Riverlee · 02/08/2023 10:51

@ArabeIIaScott Thought you were being serious for a second, and then I realised. Haven’t had my early morning coffee…!

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