Costa using Pride image of girl with breasts removed to support trans?

[Tryingmuchharder]

"Costa Coffee was today accused of glamourising 'complex and dangerous surgery' by covering a van with a cartoon image featuring mastectomy scars.
The UK's largest coffee chain defended its use of the image to promote 'inclusivity and diversity' but was branded 'crass and irresponsible' and 'absolutely bonkers' – and there were calls for a boycott of the company on social media.
The image, depicting an androgynous-looking character wearing long shorts with scars below each nipple, is taken from a mural designed by the chain for Brighton and Hove Pride last year."

I find the attempt to 'normalise' the removal of perfectly healthy breasts because someone feels more masculine is wrong. AIBU

That was quoting the most unreasonable Webberley, not an endorsement

Direct me to the stats of suicide in trans people.I’ll wait and wait and wait.Do some proper research instead of parroting the same gaslighting line..

And it has been known for decades, a friend who underwent SRS 25 years ago told me this.

Once upon a time, when doctors behaved responsibly and we're led by science rather than ideology, understanding this reality was a prerequisite for getting signed off for surgery.

Grown adults can do what they like.

And companies can make big profits exploiting them. Nice.

This is such a dangerous tweet. I also wonder if Webberley realises that she has just said the bit that she is not supposed to say. She was clear that she is advocating that female patients with a mental health issue should have their healthy breasts removed as treatment that is 'completely routine and normal'.

What other mental health issue is there where extreme body modification is celebrated as a positive treatment option? One that leaves the female body with lasting movement, pain and scarring issues. And how many times have we heard of those same female patients then say that they never realised they could not breast feed afterwards? Some have even said that they were not even told that they would not be able to breastfeed. For example, Freddy who was in their 20s when the op happened AND at university, so should have been very well able to do their own research....

The danger of this kind of glamorisation is horrific.

The 25 thing is a red herring. Young adults are allowed to make all sorts of complex, life changing and potentially lethal decisions from 18. However the medical profession should not be offering "treatments" to anyone without a good clinical evidence base unless it's a life and death situation in which case there are trials run under a strict ethical framework whose results and closely monitored and scientifically analysed for efficacy.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12357945/Fury-Costa-Coffee-uses-cartoon-image-trans-man-breast-surgery-scars-shop-Angry-customers-warn-boycott-drinks-chain-horrific-imagery.html

Costa are using the images taken from a mural used at Brighton Pride on their coffee van promotions and at events to show they are inclusive to people who think they are in the wrong body.

Would that also include 18+ adults who had their mental development stunted by puberty blockingcancer drugs medication who have been told for years that they need this to stay alive and everyone who lives them and wants them to keep their body healthy and whole is the enemy? Amd who have sadly reached the point of no return due to whats been done to them as children? A penis won't grow for example of puberty is blocked. Are they still capable of making these decisions?

OP do you believe that no one should ever be able to access gender reassignment surgeries, or that children should be protected from it? One I find a very reasonable stance, one not so much!

I'm so very sorry this arsehole company and this brutal, twisted ideology has caused you this pain.

Quite right LadyMary50. Helen Webberley, a doctor who specialises in gender dysphoria diagnosis SHOULD have those stats to hand. We know Webberley does not have those.

I don't have daughters but I can only do what's best to guide my DS. He's 15 so he's in the thick of all this debate. If he decides as an adult he wanted to chop off his penis then it's up to him. Obviously I'd advise him against it but I can't force him to do anything.

Fair comment.

I agree with a good clinical evidence base. It seems to be the current thing for girls to feel they must be men because they don't fit what some in society feel women should be. We would be more inclusive if we promoted women as being a feminine or masculine or neutral as they want WITHOUT removing body parts and giving puberty blocking hormones.

I feel old.

Back in my day (when Adam was a boy) advertising was about convincing you that the coffee either tasted great, or was somehow a turn on.

Now I’ve linked the costa brand to empathy chest pain. Is this really what sells coffee these days?

I don't agree with puberty blocking medication.

There's a petition. I won't put a link because MNHQ will delete it but it's findable if you search Costa scars petition.

What about women who have had breast cancer surgery? Not much empathy for them!

Yes. I often think this - not just in relation to this issue but eg the M&S thing where they gave away plastic toys or when Heinz decided that the recyclable tin was no longer suitable by itself for baked beans so they put them in a plastic tub as well.

I read the other day that female trans people are still discriminated against in the way they are presented in public. As women their breasts are used for the public gaze in advertising. As 'men' their breasts are used for public gaze in advertising.

She should have the stats available to share. Apparently she is saving lives. Show the stats then.

Where are all the dead young girls who felt they were in the wrong body from before when doctors didn't offer puberty blockers or mutilating surgery?

There are stats to show that The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over 30 years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest. Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers.

Arrrg I was in a rage at reading about Costa and completely misinterpreted her post.Apologies I need more (not Costa)coffee..

Informed consent is almost impossible for this kind of surgery because there is a dearth of longitudinal studies, particularly since, in the last decade, we have seen a radically different cohort presenting at gender clinics.

If adult women want to have their breasts removed for purely cosmetic purposes I could understand a bodily autonomy argument for that being allowed but when you are promising this surgery as a solution to mental and emotional problems when there is no evidence to support it then no, it should not be allowed.

I should have said this was in reply to Davros🤦‍♀️

@FOJN adults mutilate their bodies by choice all the time through the route of plastic surgery. Women have been mutilating their breasts for decades but it wasn't a problem when they were getting bigger!

I don't think anyone under the age of 18 should be accessing anything that causes a permanent change to them unless it's medically necessary but it becomes more difficult for me to reason with once they are an adult.

Children should be protected from it. The studies show that more and more detransitioners say they made a mistake. Their stories are horrific. They believed a lie that their problems would be solved if they 'changed sex' no-one can actually change sex, it's a lie. Anyone can live as they want and if they wish to assume a different gender that's up to them. Suicides in adults sold the lie are high.

I've watched videos of girls sobbing because they thought becoming a 'man' would solve their problems, it doesn't and then they become a fake man because they can never really be a biological man or a man become a biological woman. The videos in their words show the damage, it's horrific and irreversible.