Woman stripped and left topless in a cell!

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This is disturbing to read. I hope a proper investigation is carried and the missing time videos are found so she knows exactly what happened to her.

Sky news Greater Manchester Police

It was not a technical issues the police statement is that it was overwritten.

However if "we" are looking at alibis why with multiple imaginary interviews taking place have the police not carried out a interview of the woman in the center of the allegation?

AnSolas
Perhaps they have

@Felix125

Her wounds may not have fully closed, but she was clothed prior to the arrest which may have concealed it

Yes but then when she was stripped at the station there must have been no sign of bleeding for them to no have got medical attention. Therefore her clothes concealing bleeding is irrelevant as I have pointed out several times.

Does she also have any medical condition that may also lead to bleeding which can be exasperated by a sexual assault/rape - vaginal or uterine polyp, rectal polyp, pile etc?

What relevance does this have to the time she started bleeding?

Where are the blood stains on CCTV and when you say 'a significant amount of blood' are we talking a cup full or more? Are the blood stains on the bench where she has been sat? Has she been sat in a such a position which has put pressure on a partially closed wound which has then re-opened? Is it rectal or vaginal blood? Is it smeared or pooled? If its a significant amount is it congealed?

So you haven't bothered to look at the evidence. You are here for hours, days arguing that it must be this or it must be that without ever looking at the evidence. You contradict the statement from the GMP and you contradict the video evidence

A pool Felix, a pool of blood. But if you want to know more go look at the photos. Don't talk from a supposed position of authority whilst being an authority of nothing because you know nothing.

Although your refusal to believe a woman without bothering to look at the evidence explains a lot.

What did they do at the hospital that took 5 days? Did they do a medical procedure on her? What is the medical reason for her not being able to walk after 5 days? The examiner who said that she has been sexually assaulted/raped - are they a forensic medical examiner?

Repairing her injuries, because of her injuries, and are you doubting the doctor, the medical expert now? Without having read an account, without having see the photos from the video, without having read the report, you have now decided the doctor might be wrong and she might not have even been raped at all.

Do you always disbelieve everybody if it serves the police?

@Felix125 how on earth is @anon1888 supposed to speak to other detainees? You have such an upside down view of the real world, every day you post it cements my belief you didn’t even make it into the police force. You’re sat at home with a chief Wiggum costume on, fantasising about being good enough to join the ranks of social failures who cover for each other and abuse women.

Catchasingmewithspiders
Yes but then when she was stripped at the station there must have been no sign of bleeding
So the wound has stopped at the time she arrived, but re-opened itself later. As pointed out, this can happen and we have taken people to hospital with wounds that have re-opened. Has she been sat in such a position later which has re-opened it?

What relevance does this have to the time she started bleeding?
Could this be the source of the bleed - aggravated by the sexual assault?

A pool Felix, a pool of blood
There are pools of blood and there are pools of blood. Who said its a 'pool' as opposed to a blood stain/swipe. If its a pool then it must have congealed as such. How can you see the depth of this pool or if it has congealed on the CCTV however? We have had people cells who have smeared blood around the cell walls which makes it look like a bloodbath, but its come from one small cut. Cut yourself shaving and a bleeds for a ages.

You have now decided the doctor might be wrong
No - I am asking was he/she a forensic doctor. Medical statements we get from doctors and consultants with assault type injuries can only describe the injury - they can not suggest how the injury occurred or what it's consistent with. Forensic examinations can.

I am not disbelieving anyone - I am just suggesting other alternatives.

And I have said - several times - if it is a cover up by the senior management then they should be sacked and jailed, together with the rogue cop who raped her in the cell.

And Zayna does deserve justice and the truth. And i don't want to work for a police force which has corrupt officers and management, so it benefits me if they are removed/sacked/jailed

I just keep an open mind on things.

WILTYjim
Quite easy - detainees often talk to each other through the cell walls or when they are in the exercise yards, moving around in custody etc etc. And often know each other. When they are released from custody, its possible that they can talk to each other again. Not always of course but sometimes.

So I am asking if annon1888 spoke with any of them. Either directly or through the family member. Either yes or no.

Whether you believe or disbelieve i am a cop is irrelevant - either the argument is good or the argument is bad.

Yeah. I’m calling bullshit on that.

And the cat has applied for free legal aid

WILTYjim
On what precisely?

Detainees never talk to each other or shout things at each other through the cells wall or between the doors on opposite cells?

Detainees never know anyone else in custody?

You never have a scenario where your 5-6 detainees sat together in the holding room never know each other or have served time in jail together - either sentenced or on remand?

Detainees never talk to each other either during custody of after their release?

You obviously have never been a custody suite.

Well @anon1888 do tell us

When did you stop beating your wife?

Your care for a very ill member of your family clearly provides evidence that you and all your family must have been arrested multiple times and are, as the saying goes, well known by the local plod

You have no idea.

I’d love you to be held accountable for your unprofessionalism on here. Police don’t really go for accountability though do they.

Can I just make a point re the alleged assault and bleeding
In the video released of her unconscious during the "strip search" (or whatever it is they've claimed it's called when it's done for safety) only a few seconds of tape is sped up and shown on SkyNews for example

In an interview Zayna says the actual search video lasts longer and in that video it shows 'something white being removed from between my legs'. The interviewer suggests a sanitary product or similar. Zayna confirms she wasn't wearing a tampon and she was not on her period

I will not speculate here just stating what has been reported

I'd just like to say that @AnSolas is now my favourite Mumsnetter ever.
And @Felix125 is the scariest. The way they have so determinedly tried to deflect and defend the police is terrifying to me and is a perfect example of the epidemic we have. These are the people we need to weed out.

💯 well said.

I just keep an open mind on things.

Sure

And i don't want to work for a police force which has corrupt officers and management

So when you are saying something that goes directly against the statement the GMP has put out is that because you believe them to have corrupt officers and management and that's why you need to correct the statement?

Mookie81
And i have said as much - if it is a cover up, they need to be sacked and jailed.

Catchasingmewithspiders
Have GMP said why it has been overwritten. Have they said they have overwritten it deliberately as they saw a rape occur by one of their officers, so they thought it best to delete the footage.

Have they said its definitely not a technical issue?

If it turns out that it is a big cover up by the whole management team and custody staff - then as i have said before, they need to be sacked and jailed.

WILTYjim
What unprofessionalism?

You think that custody is not like they way i have described? Detainees never talk to each other or know each other? They stay in their cell nice a quiet and never move around custody at all?

So when you are saying something that goes directly against the statement the GMP has put out is that because you believe them to have corrupt officers and management and that's why you need to correct the statement?

What part of the statement are you referring to?

@Felix125 do you really think detainees would have a nuanced conversation about whether someone has had their medication on time or not, through a cell wall? Or in a holding room? You are a complete fantasist. And WHY THE FUCK SHOULD THEY.

They’re not there to be witnesses to police negligence. Why on EARTH would you expect them to be able to contextualise anything they hear? You are utterly deluded.

All of it

It's so he can pass the blame on to the detainees

One of his comments was that other people who were detained the same night as Ms Iman where to blame for not reporting her rape

His current theme around them all wandering around wily nily looking in each others cells for a little chat is because he knows what he was originally suggesting implied that she could have been raped if she didn't scream loud enough for people to hear through walls

Either way he is trying to say that if a police officer raped a woman in a call that the other people who were detained that night share the blame

As with many of his comments, when you dig into its fairly abhorrent. But he will insist on digging his heels in even when it's a ridiculous statement

WILTYjim
Of course they do

They shout "BOSS, BOSS, I NEED MY MEDS" "BOSS I NEED MY METHDONE" "BOSS - I NEED TO SEE THE NURSE"

Constantly.....

When they come out of custody - if they meet up (which they often do) they can talk about the fact that they were in custody and never got their meds.

They will also be aware if they have been banging on the wall all night long.

In the holding rooms, they will say "LAST TIME I WAS IN HERE I NEVER GOT MY MEDS"

What ever meds they are on tends to be an important part of their life - especially if its methadone, or zopiclones or anit-psychotic drugs

You’re a joke. Give up with the victim blaming. Not one detainee EVER has a duty of care to another detainee. That responsibility is stripped of them when you fucking idiots get involved.

No one else is to blame for the rape, for people not getting their meds or for the other myriad failures, no one except the people bound by law to take care of them. That’s you and your co-conspirators.

Catchasingmewithspiders
No - I'm not blaming any of the other detainees for not speaking up.

What i am saying is that:

If a cop is going to rape a someone, why would he choose a cell?. Its monitored by CCTV, the door can not be shut and the corridor is a wash of people coming and going.

At no point have i blamed anyone else for not reporting the rape.

I am saying that its not a very private place for it to happen.

How about the other detainees in custody - such as people in the next cells - are they accountable for the cover up too?

this is what you said

By asking if they are accountable you are asking if there is blame that can be apportioned to them

If a cop is going to rape a someone, why would he choose a cell?.

Theres no guarantee it was in the cell, the CCTV footage is missing so we cant see if she was moved somewhere private

Itss monitored by CCTV,

Well that would be a whole lot more convincing if the police had been able to procduce the CCTV. Honestly the nerve of using this as an argument that the rape couldnt have happened...

WILTYjim
I never said one detainee has a duty of care for the other. I am saying they often talk to each other. So if one of them was in the adjacent cell to anon1888's family member - did they hear anything?

Could it be that the family member was quiet all night and never made a sound.

Did they know any of the other detainees - it was either a yes or no question really.

If there was no one else to blame for the rape other than one rouge cop - then its wrong and he needs to be jailed.

But what of the other people that knew it was going on and didn't try to stop it?

I think the management team who have deliberately deleted to incriminating footage need to be sacked and jailed too.

Do we also sack the custody sergeants and detention officers?