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WILTYjim · 10/08/2023 22:23

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Felix125 · 11/08/2023 00:48

AnSolas

What is your point with this?

AnSolas · 12/08/2023 08:05

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  1. sorry for the delay MN ate my first reply (so you get the short version😀)

  2. there is no need to be mean about other posters

  3. where I was going:

It started out as a check for training gaps and ended in a trust check.

With a professional training gap one can to establish a base level of pre-existing knowlege.

So ask a question that the trainee knows or should know the answer to

The reply will either be
1.1 a correct answer/appropiate response giving proof of pior training
1.2 an incorrect answer proves a training gap.

Option 1.2 comes with attitude test

Reason for that is the problem is either the training or the trainee
A trainee may be unable to be trained for a specific role or be able but unwilling to be trained to carry out the role
So one needs to assess if the trainee can be trusted within the role

On the trainee side a false answers indicate training can provide a solution
However false misleading answers indicate a possible choice, blatant false misleading answers indicate active choice

Re-asking the same questions in a slightly different way gives the trainee an opening to reconsider their choices
An escalation indicates that one has a serious problem as one can not trust the trainee in the role

By the escalation stage the trainee knows it is known that the trainee is lying but the next choice is to expand the lie
Parents and others dealing with children teach them not to lie as a personal ethos value so a trainee should know that a personal choice to lie shows a low or no ethical value

In a professional role the authority is delegated and the trainee has to be trustworthy to act within the constraints of a role but the trainer now has proof that this is not the case
The trainer should recomend that as the trainee is not trustworthy they should never be given any delegated authority and removed from the organisation

AnSolas · 12/08/2023 08:07

Felix125 · 11/08/2023 00:48

AnSolas

What is your point with this?

I was just assessing the professional conduct standards in a public facing role

KajsaKavat · 12/08/2023 08:17

KarmaStar · 26/07/2023 23:07

Let's get the facts first.
It's been sensationalized.
The police do a very difficult job and are always under attack.
But you get scared,worried who do you call?the very people who risk their lives every day for little or no thanks.
Don't judge or comment until you have all the information required to start accusing the police.

If they can’t or won’t provide missing footage then something happened. It’s a well known fact that the police force is misogynistic and individual police are on a power trip.

Felix125 · 12/08/2023 09:21

AnSolas
I answered your question "So what other elements of your job are controled by a non-government for profit company?"

Where do we go now?

Felix125 · 12/08/2023 09:32

AnSolas
So ask a question that the trainee knows or should know the answer to
The reply will either be
1.1 a correct answer/appropriate response giving proof of prior training
1.2 an incorrect answer proves a training gap.

It doesn't really work when the questions you are asking are not just yes/no answers. Or elements of both answers are true/false. Or other answers have been omitted.

AnSolas · 12/08/2023 10:25

Felix125 · 12/08/2023 09:21

AnSolas
I answered your question "So what other elements of your job are controled by a non-government for profit company?"

Where do we go now?

"We" dont go anywhere

You made your choices

AnSolas · 12/08/2023 10:26

Felix125 · 12/08/2023 09:32

AnSolas
So ask a question that the trainee knows or should know the answer to
The reply will either be
1.1 a correct answer/appropriate response giving proof of prior training
1.2 an incorrect answer proves a training gap.

It doesn't really work when the questions you are asking are not just yes/no answers. Or elements of both answers are true/false. Or other answers have been omitted.

It started out as a check for training gaps and ended in a trust check.

With a professional training gap one can to establish a base level of pre-existing knowlege.

So ask a question that the trainee knows or should know the answer to

The reply will either be
1.1 a correct answer/appropiate response giving proof of pior training
1.2 an incorrect answer proves a training gap.

Option 1.2 comes with attitude test

Reason for that is the problem is either the training or the trainee
A trainee may be unable to be trained for a specific role or be able but unwilling to be trained to carry out the role
So one needs to assess if the trainee can be trusted within the role

On the trainee side a false answers indicate training can provide a solution
However false misleading answers indicate a possible choice, blatant false misleading answers indicate active choice

Re-asking the same questions in a slightly different way gives the trainee an opening to reconsider their choices
An escalation indicates that one has a serious problem as one can not trust the trainee in the role

By the escalation stage the trainee knows it is known that the trainee is lying but the next choice is to expand the lie
Parents and others dealing with children teach them not to lie as a personal ethos value so a trainee should know that a personal choice to lie shows a low or no ethical value

In a professional role the authority is delegated and the trainee has to be trustworthy to act within the constraints of a role but the trainer now has proof that this is not the case
The trainer should recomend that as the trainee is not trustworthy they should never be given any delegated authority and removed from the organisation

The footage was not lost due to any technical issue it was a choice by the police to distroy the original data.

1 Do you agree or disagree this is a factual statement.
1.1 agree
or
1.2 disagree

You may not type anything beyond supplying one of the numbered options

Felix125 · 13/08/2023 02:00

1.2

What came of the question "So what other elements of your job are controlled by a non-government for profit company?' It was answered.

AnSolas · 13/08/2023 06:17

Felix125 · 13/08/2023 02:00

1.2

What came of the question "So what other elements of your job are controlled by a non-government for profit company?' It was answered.

We both should know that your answer 1.2 is wrong.

I know this because it is a fundemental in DP

You should know it because it is a fundemental in DP

You say you have used body worn recording equipment issued by a UK police force. So even if your employer failed in its duty to train you, your personal motivation to learn is that BWV was introduced to monitor employee interaction.

We both know what professional control means. So your answer did not meet a basic professional standard

Felix125 · 13/08/2023 11:43

I am trained on the use of BWV

BWV was used to capture initial evidence at a scene, utilise in vol interviews etc

The footage from the BWV falls under the control of the Data Protection Act

The storage of this footage and the maintenance of the system is the responsibility of Capita. They have 'won' the cataract and part of their contract is to fully comply with Data Protection.

Your question was "....it was a choice by the police to destroy the original data...."

That statement is not correct, they don't have a 'choice' - it falls under the DPA

AnSolas · 13/08/2023 12:07

Felix125 · 13/08/2023 11:43

I am trained on the use of BWV

BWV was used to capture initial evidence at a scene, utilise in vol interviews etc

The footage from the BWV falls under the control of the Data Protection Act

The storage of this footage and the maintenance of the system is the responsibility of Capita. They have 'won' the cataract and part of their contract is to fully comply with Data Protection.

Your question was "....it was a choice by the police to destroy the original data...."

That statement is not correct, they don't have a 'choice' - it falls under the DPA

Keep on proving evidence that you have had no DP training

Felix125 · 14/08/2023 01:50

What don't you agree with?

AnSolas · 14/08/2023 08:19

Felix125 · 14/08/2023 01:50

What don't you agree with?

Lets pretend you are Officer "lesbian nan" with BWV.

You and 6 other employees are back at the station. girl is in the cells has been interviewed and replied "no comment" and is back home with the mother.

What have you been doing with the footage from the incident?

Felix125 · 14/08/2023 09:13

AnSolas
It gets uploaded onto the database.

AnSolas · 14/08/2023 09:26

Felix125 · 14/08/2023 09:13

AnSolas
It gets uploaded onto the database.

The question was what do you do

What have you been doing with the footage from the incident?

Felix125 · 14/08/2023 09:44

The footage from the incident is held on the BWV device, until you return to the police station. The BWV device then gets 'docked' into its 'terminal' where any footage on the BWV device gets uploaded onto a secure database.

So if the questions is - "What do you do" - I dock the BWV device into its 'terminal'

AnSolas · 14/08/2023 09:54

Felix125 · 14/08/2023 09:44

The footage from the incident is held on the BWV device, until you return to the police station. The BWV device then gets 'docked' into its 'terminal' where any footage on the BWV device gets uploaded onto a secure database.

So if the questions is - "What do you do" - I dock the BWV device into its 'terminal'

You have arrested the girl
You need to decide what will be "evidence"
What is your decision making process around the data held in the secure database?

Felix125 · 14/08/2023 10:15

My decision making process:

If its related to 'the incident or allegation' - its evidence.

Whether its later classed as primary evidence or unused material - its still evidence and has to be disclosed.

Therefore at the point where it is realised that it is part of the 'the incident or allegation' its marked as such and kept.

AnSolas · 14/08/2023 10:23

Felix125 · 14/08/2023 10:15

My decision making process:

If its related to 'the incident or allegation' - its evidence.

Whether its later classed as primary evidence or unused material - its still evidence and has to be disclosed.

Therefore at the point where it is realised that it is part of the 'the incident or allegation' its marked as such and kept.

How do you 'mark' the footage as evidence

Felix125 · 14/08/2023 10:41

You go onto the database and assign it with an exhibit number and mark it as evidiential.

AnSolas · 14/08/2023 10:48

Felix125 · 14/08/2023 10:41

You go onto the database and assign it with an exhibit number and mark it as evidiential.

How do you get access the evidence in the secure database?
Is the evidence limited to the footage from your ( Officer " Lesbian Nan " ) BWV or should you also mark the other 6 officers BWV as evidence?

Felix125 · 14/08/2023 11:01

How do you get access - you put in your secure password to the database system.

You can mark all the footage as evidential if you want to - so each of the 6 officers' footage can be marked as evidential.

What you can't physically do is alter it or delete it.

AnSolas · 14/08/2023 11:12

Felix125 · 14/08/2023 11:01

How do you get access - you put in your secure password to the database system.

You can mark all the footage as evidential if you want to - so each of the 6 officers' footage can be marked as evidential.

What you can't physically do is alter it or delete it.

Can you freely access any other footage held in the database or are there restrictions placed on your password to limit your ability to mark other footage by mistake.