Is it really that hard.....? 🤔

[StillGotBabyBrain]

My family is vegan, not a massive deal.

When the school has events, no vegan option, so everyone gets a bbq or food catered and we don't. Not even a dairy free alternative for hot drinks! (Primary school, high school is better).

When they go for sleepovers I get worried parents asking me what should they do, can I provide food and drinks for them...

Pubs and restaurants barely cater for adults let alone add options for the kids menu.

Went to a choir meeting the other week, nothing I could eat from the food included in my ticket price.

Am I being unreasonable thinking it's really not that difficult to provide bread and houmous or vegetable dishes? They're suitable for everyone, so isn't a waste of food! Blows my mind.

Why are vegans always so angry and entitled just curious

I'd have thought it would be fairly obvious to you from the thread title that it would contain some posts from vegans talking about veganism. If that annoys you then it seems a strange choice of thread for you. You chose to come and post provocatively, and in a way you hoped would offend vegans 'PITA/no one respects you' etc, which is entirely up to you of course.
But it seems rather disingenuous to then frame yourself as some live and let live liberal who's only issue is being plagued by militant vegans while minding your own business and eating your pork pie.
You have an agenda, so why not be courageous, own it, and tell us why you really dislike people choosing not to eat animal products. Are you in the meat industry? Struggling with cognitive dissonance? Your ex left you for a vegan? Something else...?

I’m offering my perspective and some posters (some vegan, some not) don’t like it. Some suggest I’m wrong and argue that I don’t cater to vegans because I’m ill-informed and/or lazy. I argue back that’s not the case. Sounds on topic to me.

I note a few of the vegans are also trying to create psychological profiles of me, and that is off-topic.

I would - and have - happily catered for any dietary requirement including vegans, and would do it for someone I chose to invite including making sure a restaurant could accommodate them. I know you were making that point in response to someone criticising you. However, you’ve basically insulted the vast majority of the parenting population. I hope you don’t express those views often, 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
I wouldn’t want to host a vegan who lumps me in a category of “forcing my child to eat chicken ovulation” not because of your dietary choices but because of the attitude and judgment.

@5128gap just ignore because they are literally baiting.

Do you genuinely stop caring about people when you find out they are vegans? That seems very extreme to me!

I think when you decide to eat in a way that's different to the majority it's odd to surprised when your not catered for. It's comes with choosing to be vegan. As much as you say it isn't restrictive, it definitely is. I have one family member who is vegan and when I host bbqs I have to pay extra for vegan bits and then I have loads leftover because only one person eats vegan and the others would prefer a real sausage rather than the alternative. It's expensive, time consuming and frankly a PITA

I think it was obvious in my posts that I'm not anti vegans as a group, I gave an example of two ex partners of two of my kids. If I'd only ever met the pain in the backside one then that would be my experience of vegans. If I'd only ever known the two vegans who'd make silly and rude remarks at work that would be my experience of vegans. If I'd only even known the first ex partner, happy confident young woman who appreciated me making her a nice meal that suited her tastes and didn't make negative comments about people who were eating the meat I'd made for them I'd have an entirely different view of vegans.

If vegans don't care that's fine but if vegans want people to make an effort for them then they need to play nice. There is an old saying that is appropriate, You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

I should have expressed myself better, I don’t care to cater to, or listen to proselytising.

But from what I’ve seen many vegans allow it to become completely enmeshed with their identity to the point that all interactions and conversations are through the veganism prism.

@Iwasafool with agave not honey surely 😂

Would maple syrup do?

I can understand not caring about it. I don't really care what other people eat.

If I invited friends for dinner, I'd want to cater for all their needs. Even if it was completely random, like only eating blue foods! I'd rather go slightly out of my way than leave them hungry. Saying that, I only have non-annoying friends thankfully 😁

My final word in this thread:

I too would refuse to cater to vegans, not out of laziness or dislike of vegans as people (although one only need read this thread to understand why they are generally unpopular).

I wouldn't cater to veganism because I believe it is an extreme, foolish and superstitious idea that should not be encouraged, especially amongst children.

Many of these "vegan kids" are set for years of food guilt, obsessive food anxieties and poor nutrition, unless they can find the strength to grow out of their parents' influence, as hopefully most will succeed in doing.

Brainwashed 🤣 aren’t we as a society more brainwashed as we allow others to do the dirty work so we don’t have to see the cutting of flesh of live animals, the stacked up cow heads with now vacant staring eyes, hear the screams of the pigs as they are gassed, watch the male chicks blended in the macerator as they are surplus to requirements and we want eggs, see the weeks’ old chickens struggling to walk as they’ve been bred to grow so fast they can’t support their own body weight, watch them then hung upside down and electrocuted (hopefully, some won’t even be stunned at the time they are immersed in boiling water), meantime many workers in slaughterhouses suffer from mental health issues such as PTSD and depression and there is a high rate of suicide.

I was raised vegetarian and was very happy my parents raised me that way (albeit I wish I was raised vegan). No anxiety or OCD, just a lot of sadness about what we as a species put billions of other animals through.

Industrial farming is like this because a lot of food needs to be produced too cheaply. Ethical farming makes the produce expensive, but a lot of meat eaters do it if they can afford it.

Personally I was raised on a homestead (I can’t remember the British word for it), so from a very young age have seen our animals being humanely slaughtered for our own family’s consumption. I have no qualms about naming the young lambs, run and play with them in a meadow, and then eating them a year later. They were born and bred for this, were fed, loved and looked after, then fulfilled their purpose.

One can love, raise and eat animals without ridiculous anthropomorphising and hysteria. Animals (including humans) eat other animals.

And another one with the 'vegans are so unpopular' nonsense. As a one time meat eater, now vegan, I can assure you my popularity is entirely unchanged. I can also assure you that outside of these threads I have never encountered this mythical hatred of vegans that is apparantly rife in the meat eating community, either from inside that community or outside. I'm not saying there aren't some unpleasant individuals who will jump onto a characteristic for the fun of being belligerent and controversial. But they are typically the type who dislike anything outside of their small world experience, so better avoided anyway.
Outside of these threads the vast majority of meat eaters are perfectly ordinary individuals without any odd vendettas, who mind their own business and couldn't care less what I eat.
It might suit your anti vegan narrative to purport that everyone feels as you do, but its really not true. Trying to persuade vegans otherwise is hardly going to have us rushing for a burger. So why bother?

Yeah I know someone who had a homestead, she is now vegan. Killing the animals (humane slaughter is an oxymoron) or taking their babies away was still horrific to her even if she’d made sure their short lives were nice, (at least to an extent, the sheep still had their tails docked etc). She tried to justify it to herself but each killing was more difficult than the last.

It’s not anthropomorphising to say that farmed animals can think, feel and notwithstanding that they are driven in large part by instinct (as humans are) they are individuals with their own personalities. Most people would accept this statement about dogs and cats. It was at a cheese factory as a vegetarian that I was first told by a dairy farmer that most cows mourn for days when their calves are taken from them.

And on the other side of the coin non human animals also exhibit lots of behaviours that we do not need to emulate as an enlightened society. That non-human animals kill other animals does not justify intelligent and empathetic humans from doing so.

And finally, very few non-vegans who claim to eat “ethical” (I.e. less likely to have been subject to significant harm at human hands prior to being killed) meat will avoid all mass produced products, and for example cakes made with dairy will in many cases involve a calf being taken from his or mother, often killed at a young age and might in some situations have involved a pregnant cow being slaughtered and her unborn calf then being cut from her body as they’re sold by weight, will use eggs that involved male chicks being gassed or macerated (shredding them alive is RSPCA approved) etc. Slaughterhouse workers are involved somewhere in every shop bought animal product, and we expect them to kill gentle beings all day and work covered in blood, listening to the pigs scream or looking at the pile of cows heads, and take no responsibility for paying them to do this so we can enjoy a bacon butty or a cream bun.

I don’t dispute anything you say. If it were up to me, industrial scale farming would be organised differently.

I agree with what the dairy farmer said. I live near a dairy farm and the mothers bellowing for their calves and the calves crying is horrible. I have more respect for vegans than vegetarians if they start preaching because I think vegetarians ignore that.

Here here Kikisparks

I'd be interested to know if this is regional. In Yorkshire, I've met a silly amount of people that are very much against vegans, and of the opinion that a meal isn't a meal without meat content.

A whiff of North/South elitist divide? Well I never.

A whiff of North/South elitist divide? Well I never.

I've lived in lots of places in the North and encountered this far more in Yorkshire than anywhere else.

Never been to Yorkshire but isn’t their reputation as being very straight and honest in their communication?

Possibly. As I said earlier I live close to and work in a major city that's very young. Not much of a farming community in the area. I don't live in the North or the South, so can't say if there's a N/S divide!