Is it really that hard.....? 🤔

[StillGotBabyBrain]

My family is vegan, not a massive deal.

When the school has events, no vegan option, so everyone gets a bbq or food catered and we don't. Not even a dairy free alternative for hot drinks! (Primary school, high school is better).

When they go for sleepovers I get worried parents asking me what should they do, can I provide food and drinks for them...

Pubs and restaurants barely cater for adults let alone add options for the kids menu.

Went to a choir meeting the other week, nothing I could eat from the food included in my ticket price.

Am I being unreasonable thinking it's really not that difficult to provide bread and houmous or vegetable dishes? They're suitable for everyone, so isn't a waste of food! Blows my mind.

I'm asking because my kid has Crohns and every time they have vegan (they did want to be vegan at one stage) they ended up in huge pain and very sick. It's just not an option for them. They tried to be low fibre vegan and ended up with all sorts of deficiencies. Late teens btw, so it was their choice to try knowing it wasn't a good idea for them.

A cautionary tale about pandering to personal lifestyles

One of my good friends has Crohns and is vegan. Guess it just depends on the people 🤷

Could be. My child is still quite bad and working towards remission, so maybe your friend is in remission, or close to it? We've seen a nutritionist.

I would probably buy something pre made that is vegan but I wouldn't cook something because this is more effort than I'd be bothered to put in for a small minority, and I find vegan cooking much harder than vegetarian or meat.

Blimey.
This thread has certainly been derailed by the anti vegan crew who can’t cope with the world moving on without them.
Given the % vote OP and given the number of non meat eaters around the world I’d say your vote of 34% is a win win. There are clearly lots of meat eaters out there happy to accommodate us.

Please also add “the right side of history” so I can complete my vegan tropes bingo card.

OP asked why is it so hard for meat eaters to accommodate vegans. We are replying. It’s a circular discussion at this point.

You seem like a really spiteful person. Must be really sad to be you and these others who just came out to shit on vegans, for no good reason.

You've not provided any insight, just a lot of anti vegan rhetoric and used this thread as a way to vent out the pent up aggression you hold inside because others choose a life that tries to reduce harm to all animals, including human animals.

I feel sorry for you. Bless your heart. Hope you find peace one day. 🙏

I think it depends on the person. Two of my kids have had vegetarian/vegan partners at one time, one of mine also had two good friends at school who were vegetarian.

Of the two partners one was a joy, very easily pleased, enthusiastic about sharing recipes. Second a po faced misery, nothing quite right. I'd usually make meals that were the same as our meal but without meat, an example is a North African meal which can traditionally be made with mutton or chick peas, so I'd make it with lamb probably as mutton harder to get and another pot with chick peas. Or I'd make two lasagnes, one with meat and one with veg and I like both so no issue for me. Some of us would eat the meat version and some the non meat version but vegan would turn her nose up. Quite honestly I got to the point where i wasn't bothered if she was fed or not.

Maybe some vegans need to check their attitude if people aren't being proactive as if people are like me they will go the extra mile for my first example and give up with the second. If I'd only had the experience with the 2nd partner it would have given me a very negative view of vegans.

I've also worked with vegans who can't be quiet about how they feel about my bacon butty or hamburger. I don't care what they eat and I don't appreciate squeals of "Oh how can you eat a dead animal" or "Oh meat smells so horrible." I felt like bringing in some steak and eating it virtually raw with the blood running down my chin in the hopes it would annoy them as much as they annoyed me.

One of my children had issues with food and would have been seriously ill if I had tried to stop them eating things like butter/eggs/yogurt.

I suppose it is a mixed bag really and for me I'm all for live and let live so if you don't poke me with a stick I won't poke you.

Yes that sort of patronising will make lots of people anti vegan.

I was about to type something similar.
I’m sure OP is a perfectly pleasant person when not talking about veganism though - I wouldn’t dream of attacking her as a person, just sharing my opinion on veganism, which doesn’t align with hers. 🤷‍♀️
Veganism doesn’t command respect or deference, and some vegans just can’t accept it.

Give over!!!

Don't sit there and negate the fact of what they have said that led me to feel sorry for them and the other people who 'just hate vegans'. I genuinely hope they find peace.

Or is it that vegans should endure that shit because we're different? 🤔

A real shame but now that you have it you can use that BBQ at the next fete to make grilled large field mushrooms, grilled corn, jacket sweet and normal potatoes and grilled fruit which are loved by meat eaters and vegans alike. You can have separate toppings for both vegans and meat eaters. There never tends to be a big demand for meat substitutes at things like fetes so would steer clear next time.

YABU regarding the PTA BBQ. The PTA are volunteers and who are you expecting to make your vegan dish for you? It’s easy to slap a load of burgers and sausages on a BBQ but someone would have to make your jacket potato, bean salad or whatever. You could always volunteer to make a big dish of whatever you fancy and bring it to the BBQ.

The choir event should have catered for you if you have them your dietary requirements in advance since you had to pay for a ticket.

Theres always something vegan on a restaurant menu and they can’t store loads of different choices that may get wasted. There are also purely vegan cafes and restaurants you could go to.

People are free to make their own choices in their own homes and you are free to go or not bother, so YABU there.

And you're happily ignoring the garbage that's in the highly processed, coloured and flavoured vegan food you use to replace a natural product.

As you were previously vegetarian/vegan surely you know that not all vegan food is not like this - at all.

Honestly look at what you have said, the judgement of other people's perfectly legal choices and yes the patronising tone of that post. You might not like it but it is part of why lots of people experience vegans as po faced miseries.

As I said in the post before I haven't got a problem catering for vegans but I've found the attitude and behaviour of some vegans is pretty objectionable and it honestly doesn't surprise me that some people will form an opinion of vegans based on that because that might be their only experience of them.

The problem is the PTA are probably trying to raise money. They have now spent money on a new BBQ and on vegan burgers and sausages. When do they cut their losses and go back to raising money for school projects?

Perfect satire of middle class vegan entitlement 👀

Yes that sort of patronising will make lots of people anti vegan.

A poster has been goading vegans throughout the thread. It's interesting how when the OP is less than patient and reacts to that poster - your automatic inclincation is to ignore everything that happened to bring the OP to that point and say this. If it takes someone being sharp and exasperated to make you anti - them - then you weren't really for them in the first place.

I'm not vegan but go off 😂

I’m commenting on your post, not you personally. :)

I disagree. Veganism does actually command respect from the vast majority of people. This ranges from a basic respect for people's right to make harmless choices regarding their diet without meeting sneering and hostility; to an active respect for the choice being made. I find outside of these threads that level of respect is actually typical from meat eaters. There's fortunately only a tiny minority who for some unknown reason feel the need to make a big fuss about it.

I have no problem with people eating whatever they want. As long as they don’t bang on about how different and special they are, endlessly proselytise, and expect special treatment.

People should eat what they want.

There is zero evidence that fresh red meat causes health issues - all of the studies lump in fresh meat with ultra processed meat, and none account for the processed carb accompaniments. Flawed research == fact.

You've chosen to put yourself in this position and you are part of a very small minority. You have no right to be provided for. Bring your own