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Cancer charity coffee mornings should be banned

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Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 16:12

So someone on instagram, who usually gives advice to new mums on positive birthing, posted today that she though coffee mornings for cancer charities should be banned. Why? because she thinks cancer loves sugar, cancer grows from sugar and people shouldn't be giving sugar to cancer patients. She said instead of eating cakes and biscuits they should be helping cancer patients to educate themselves to change their diets to beat the disease.

My own personal opinion is that she is spreading complete misinformation to her followers not based on any actual factual studies.

For a start these coffee mornings are not held in the hospital rooms of cancer patients to feed them cake. They’re fundraising events often in school halls, offices, community centres or hospitals as a support system where people are coming together to support and raise money for those diagnosed with cancer. They don't target cancer patients, it's more about the general public raising funds for cancer nurses and research. Cancer coffee mornings are just one of the ways charities fund raise. They also do lots of fitness based ones, like the muddy 5k run, race for life, some do walking based ones. Although not everyone would be able to do something physical for charity, so they might choose the coffee morning. Let's face it, cake is nice right, if it was advertised as a green tea and carrot stick morning, it wouldn't be as popular.

Yes I agree sugar isn't healthy for us. We should all reduce our refined sugar intake. Excess sugar can lead to weight gain which can cause serious health issues including diabetes and obesity which could be a contributing factor to some cancers. BUT cancer is not caused by sugar alone, and cancer can't be cured by cutting out sugar. Cancer also can't be cured by diet alone. I've heard the stories of people saying "My husband cured his stage 4 lung cancer by diet alone!" Right.

There is also no actual evidence that cancer cells grow from sugar. All cells, including cancer cells need glucose (blood sugar) to survive. Glucose comes from any carbohydrate, refined carbs (cake, bread) and unrefined carbs (fruit, veg). Glucose is critical for our cells to survive and function properly. Not consuming sufficient carbohydrates can lead to the breakdown of protein stores in our body, which can contribute to muscle loss and possibly malnutrition. There is no possible way for our bodies to stop cancer cells from getting the glucose and only giving it to the healthy cells.

So should cancer coffee mornings be banned?

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WellThisIsFun1 · 20/07/2023 20:18

Of course they shouldn't be banned.

She's batshit and not especially good at thinking

Crackl3andpop · 20/07/2023 20:19

I saw this and unfollowed. I’d been a bit 🤔 if some of her birth related content lately and although I agree all patients for any care should be encourage to make informed decisions about their own treatment, they also should follow the advice provided by the medical staff overseeing their treatment. It’s all coming across a bit F**k the establishment …

toochesterdraws · 20/07/2023 20:21

"they should be helping cancer patients to educate themselves to change their diets to beat the disease"

Er - what? So you can cure cancer by changing your diet, can you? I'm sure all the cancer research scientists can give up doing all their research now then, if all people need to do is stop eating cake and their cancer will go away. Confused

AutisticLegoLover · 20/07/2023 20:21

@rickaaaayyyy yes she is the 'carb intolerant' poster. Pretty sure she says she is significantly overweight too. I'm not sure many people would take dietary advice from someone who is obese. Apologies if I've got that wrong as I had to hide the thread due to the amount of stupid being posted on there.

WandaWonder · 20/07/2023 20:23

Is anything allowed these days or is everything to be banned?

Maybe if people engaged their brain more and stopped blaming everyone else for their thoughts?

dawngreen · 20/07/2023 20:23

And no I never smoked and rarely drink these days. Trying to drop the energy drinks, diet coke, and crisps though.

rickaaaayyyy · 20/07/2023 20:24

AutisticLegoLover · 20/07/2023 20:21

@rickaaaayyyy yes she is the 'carb intolerant' poster. Pretty sure she says she is significantly overweight too. I'm not sure many people would take dietary advice from someone who is obese. Apologies if I've got that wrong as I had to hide the thread due to the amount of stupid being posted on there.

Yeah I thought so too.

I was reading that thread and it all seems a bit 'I went online and completed a course.'

Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 20:28

JMAngel1 · 20/07/2023 20:16

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6375425/
This is certainly not high grade evidence - more anecdotal - but interesting.

Also the following but in animal studies
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2021.594408/full

Interesting reads. I've seen the one about Ketogenic Diets before, it could definitely be worth giving it a go if you have cancer and are well enough to do that diet. Unfortunately it doesn't work on all cancers, and it would only potentially slow the growth not cure it.

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dawngreen · 20/07/2023 20:28

But getting back on topic. People will still drink Coffee, and eat cake regardless of what they do to fundraise for charity. We can only choose what we do in life, and cannot expect others to agree. And unless ppl can say 100% what causes cancer just carry on with your day.

EatingPeanutButterWithASpoon · 20/07/2023 20:35

Youseriouslydontknow · 20/07/2023 17:51

Sugar does, indeed, feed cancer. Its so disappointing people do not understand this connection. If you seek out a nutritionist when you have been diagnosed with cancer, the first thing they would do is get you off sugar. Also, people really ought stop taking nutrition advice from doctors. It's barmy!

And people would be far better off seeking advice from registered dietitians who can give evidence based advice that sugar does not cause cancer rather than advice from a so called nutritionist who may have 'studied' for 6 weeks.

sunglassesonthetable · 20/07/2023 20:35

I find it enraging tbh.

I find I'm triggered probably because I have been very close to cancer - not that it means others won't also be.

It's so ignorant and sweeping and unhelpful.

wacademia · 20/07/2023 20:36

Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 20:28

Interesting reads. I've seen the one about Ketogenic Diets before, it could definitely be worth giving it a go if you have cancer and are well enough to do that diet. Unfortunately it doesn't work on all cancers, and it would only potentially slow the growth not cure it.

Your body will obligingly turn proteins into glucose, with ketones as a by-product. All cells need glucose, it's the fuel for the Kerbs cycle.

wacademia · 20/07/2023 20:37

Krebs cycle. The state of my typing today...

Gillbil · 20/07/2023 20:45

She seems like an idiot

Carpediemmakeitcount · 20/07/2023 20:52

LMNT · 20/07/2023 16:18

Good lord your post is horrendously wrong about the links between sugar and cancer.

When you get a scan to check for cancer they inject you irradiated GLUCOSE because guess where the glucose goes first?!

I suggest you look at the work of Otto Warburg and Thomas Seyfried.

She is 100% right that sugar feeds cancer.

You're Mumsnet after all my mum died of cancer and the majority of what she ate was processed and it's full of sugar and salt.

whenwhathow · 20/07/2023 21:07

I unfollowed her. Made my blood boil to be fair, she’s making cancer patients out to be thick and it’s self inflicted. She’s a dick

MaggyNoodles · 20/07/2023 21:11

I think most forced fundraising events should be banned, particularly coffee mornings. But not for the reasons you mention. Just bloody sick of the constant pressure to donate money and buy stuff I don't want for the same charities over and over again.
Just donate quietly if you feel the need.

WhatADrabCarpet · 20/07/2023 21:16

LorraineInSpain · 20/07/2023 16:27

When my parent was having cancer treatment the staff kept bringing cake round. I imagine if it was really that bad for people with cancer they wouldn’t have done that.

When my mum was in hospital for nearly three weeks, the staff kept bringing round food that she couldn't eat ( for medical reasons !)
Despite daily requests from my mum AND DOCTORS!!!

She became seriously malnourished.

Clymene · 20/07/2023 21:22

Sorry @WhatADrabCarpet your mum was in hospital and they weren't providing her with a suitable diet? Shock That's really shocking as they can absolutely provide food for any kind of nutrition issue. No one should be malnourished.

ttcsolomumtobe · 20/07/2023 21:22

Please can someone say who this instagrammer is?

jannier · 20/07/2023 21:23

Beautiful3 · 20/07/2023 18:25

Sugar does feed cancer, it's true.

I've just seen Elvis too

Changedforthetoday · 20/07/2023 21:27

LMNT · 20/07/2023 16:18

Good lord your post is horrendously wrong about the links between sugar and cancer.

When you get a scan to check for cancer they inject you irradiated GLUCOSE because guess where the glucose goes first?!

I suggest you look at the work of Otto Warburg and Thomas Seyfried.

She is 100% right that sugar feeds cancer.

Don’t be so swift to poo poo their comments. There is a link between cancer and sugar - and maybe our obsession with food should take a back seat and we should be prioritising health!
who is the person - I want to follow them!

nothingcomestonothing · 20/07/2023 21:30

toochesterdraws · 20/07/2023 20:21

"they should be helping cancer patients to educate themselves to change their diets to beat the disease"

Er - what? So you can cure cancer by changing your diet, can you? I'm sure all the cancer research scientists can give up doing all their research now then, if all people need to do is stop eating cake and their cancer will go away. Confused

Yeah I'm still waiting for any of these experts who are so sure they know what they're talking about to explain to me why the NHS spends hundreds of millions of £ on chemo and other cancer treatments if cutting out sugar cures cancer. And as PP said, how does that work for blood cancers, where there's no tumour in the first place?

The confidence of some people who don't even understand how dim they are being never ceases to amaze me.

Clymene · 20/07/2023 21:33

ttcsolomumtobe · 20/07/2023 21:22

Please can someone say who this instagrammer is?

The op did. She's called I'm a grifting natural birth mummy who talks shit.

May have got that slightly wrong.

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