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“Prejudiced and nasty” Nigel Farage…

635 replies

MangetoutsaysGetOutMan · 19/07/2023 17:53

… doesn’t understand irony.

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Coyoacan · 21/07/2023 02:09

And for all those people saying that a bank should have absolute freedom to decide what customers it will accept, because it is a private institution, how would you feel if water, electricity, gas and phone companies exercised the same arbitrary freedom?

There is not even somewhere we can consult to see what opinions we are allowed to have.

AnSolas · 21/07/2023 02:22

Qbish · 20/07/2023 19:56

Andrew Neil tweeting, once again - it's going to get messy

Facebook group of close to 10,000 former customers who say their NatWest accounts were closed down are sharing templates and instructions on how to lodge Subject Access Requests with the bank demanding any dossiers on them. As I wrote this morning, Nat West/Coutts now entering a world of pain

Ouch !!
The extra hires needed to produce 10,000 extra SAR's is going to reduce somebody's bonus🤷

And then the real fun begins....

AnSolas · 21/07/2023 02:55

Qbish · 20/07/2023 22:17

Here's the letter:

Anybody in the business... the last paragraph....
Have the FCA written a "Letter" requesting that letter ?

If so how many staff are doing up their CV?

AgathaSpencerGregson · 21/07/2023 06:23

Coyoacan · 21/07/2023 02:09

And for all those people saying that a bank should have absolute freedom to decide what customers it will accept, because it is a private institution, how would you feel if water, electricity, gas and phone companies exercised the same arbitrary freedom?

There is not even somewhere we can consult to see what opinions we are allowed to have.

The EA 2010 prohibits discrimination in the provision of services on grounds that an individual possesses one or more protected characteristics (including religion or belief).
it’s beyond my knowledge to determine how that might apply to Farage’s case, but private enterprises emphatically do not have complete freedom to refuse to provide services, therefore. Surprised to see lefties, normally so keen on regulating business, claim they do or should

Kendodd · 21/07/2023 06:56

Qbish · 20/07/2023 23:00

Not really sure what their point is there. As I said earlier, a lot of cognitive dissonance is going on.

Bankers = eeeevil!
Ohbutwait, bankers have been mean to a person we don't like - bankers = wonderful!
And also, the law that protects the person we don't like is from the EU, so the law protecting the person we don't like = wonderful!

It's hilarious.

Maybe they just want to remind everyone what a nasty little racist (and a powerful racist with a huge number of fans he is). And as I said earlier, I don't agree with debanking him , even paedophiles need banking services as I'm sure you will all agree. Any opportunity to shine a light on what an unsavoury character he is though.

grass321 · 21/07/2023 08:03

Yes I think that’s right. As far as I can tell they seem to be confusing review of financial crime risk with a review of whether the client’s opinions would please an Islington dinner party. That’s not a problem with the law, it’s a problem with fuckwits applying it.

If I was Farage, I'd push it until Coutts do a u-turn and let him re-open his Coutts account.

Then say actually I'll pass, I've opened an account with Hoare's as they're more compatible with my values.

NF may be reviled, and rightly so, but Coutt's actions are indefensible (and as PPs have said, I can't believe the poor and unprofessional quality of writing in their dossier).

Qbish · 21/07/2023 08:04

AgathaSpencerGregson · 21/07/2023 06:23

The EA 2010 prohibits discrimination in the provision of services on grounds that an individual possesses one or more protected characteristics (including religion or belief).
it’s beyond my knowledge to determine how that might apply to Farage’s case, but private enterprises emphatically do not have complete freedom to refuse to provide services, therefore. Surprised to see lefties, normally so keen on regulating business, claim they do or should

Indeed. And funny how banks are now the "good guys" to the leftists who don't like Farage?!

Anyway, there are now questions being asked over the BBC's coverage and whether there was a breach of confidentiality by Coutts and/or NatWest - as I said there would be.

StefanosHill · 21/07/2023 08:06

DifficultBloodyWoman · 21/07/2023 01:52

What absolutely appalling English!

If the rest of her work is of a similar standard, I’m not surprised that they made the ridiculous decision to ‘exit’ Nigel Farage and they totally deserve the shit storm that follows.

It really is

Who are these people

They are all crap. And they still feel emboldened not to offer a Coutts account

Looks like it will be close whether top jobs won’t go. Who briefed and why etc

Qbish · 21/07/2023 08:14

Also, whether the BBC was wrongly briefed, and why they chose to run with that version rather than look into it more deeply.

The BBC and Simon Jack are left looking weak here - just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you shouldn't report fairly.

MichelleScarn · 21/07/2023 08:22

Qbish · 21/07/2023 08:04

Indeed. And funny how banks are now the "good guys" to the leftists who don't like Farage?!

Anyway, there are now questions being asked over the BBC's coverage and whether there was a breach of confidentiality by Coutts and/or NatWest - as I said there would be.

The purity spirals from this will be interesting!

ThisTimeIts · 21/07/2023 09:13

Coyoacan · 21/07/2023 02:09

And for all those people saying that a bank should have absolute freedom to decide what customers it will accept, because it is a private institution, how would you feel if water, electricity, gas and phone companies exercised the same arbitrary freedom?

There is not even somewhere we can consult to see what opinions we are allowed to have.

Supermarkets already doing this, I have it confirmed in writing from the top of one supermarket. They consider you 'rude', if you don't go along with their politics, they refuse disabled customers delivery of food and get this, you are also undeserving of an explanation, they won't even tell you why you were refused, until you inquire why.

I most certainly think utilities are next.

ThisTimeIts · 21/07/2023 09:16

AgathaSpencerGregson · 21/07/2023 06:23

The EA 2010 prohibits discrimination in the provision of services on grounds that an individual possesses one or more protected characteristics (including religion or belief).
it’s beyond my knowledge to determine how that might apply to Farage’s case, but private enterprises emphatically do not have complete freedom to refuse to provide services, therefore. Surprised to see lefties, normally so keen on regulating business, claim they do or should

You can tell them until you are blue in the face, they will break the law.

I am not a Farage fan. I am glad he brought up what is happening with banks, it's not just them refusing service based on political views. They will not just non person you via a bank, they will leave disabled people with no disability aids, no food and fluids as punishment for wrong think.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 21/07/2023 09:25

ThisTimeIts · 21/07/2023 09:16

You can tell them until you are blue in the face, they will break the law.

I am not a Farage fan. I am glad he brought up what is happening with banks, it's not just them refusing service based on political views. They will not just non person you via a bank, they will leave disabled people with no disability aids, no food and fluids as punishment for wrong think.

Is there a specific case you are referring to here? I have not heard of this.

ThisTimeIts · 21/07/2023 09:36

AgathaSpencerGregson · 21/07/2023 09:25

Is there a specific case you are referring to here? I have not heard of this.

I am the case. I took the issue up with head office and was basically told I am a worthless human who deserved to starve due my political views, they used different language though.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 21/07/2023 09:39

ThisTimeIts · 21/07/2023 09:36

I am the case. I took the issue up with head office and was basically told I am a worthless human who deserved to starve due my political views, they used different language though.

I am very sorry indeed to hear this. Have you pursued a complaint to the FOS? Maybe worth contacting your MP also, if you think they will help to give your case some profile

ThisTimeIts · 21/07/2023 09:47

Have you pursued a complaint to the FOS?

What is the FOS?

I don't want my face out there, I can't physically fight off an attack, I have nobody who would be able to either. It's bad enough all the other punishments for refusing to lie or be a prop for an AGP. I can't even get NHS care as they are in love with TRAs and like the supermarket think I am worthless and should be left to die out like a Dinosaur as Lmmy and co tell the public.I

They can get lost, come government inquiry in ten or twenty years time, I am determined to put them in prison for attempted manslaughter of vulnerable people like myself as that's what this is.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 21/07/2023 10:21

https://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/
you can complain here if you feel you’ve been treated unfairly by a bank, if you’ve already complained direct to the bank and they have dismissed it. They are quite helpful if you call them, I find

Financial Ombudsman Service: our homepage

The Financial Ombudsman Service is a free, fair and easy-to-use service that settles complaints between consumers and businesses that provide financial services.

https://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/

Barbadossunset · 21/07/2023 10:55

In the Coutts document, this surprised me:
he has not made any inappropriate remarks to our staff and treats them professionally and with courtesy’.

You’d have thought along with all the other lies they’d have made up another one and said “he’s made many inappropriate remarks to staff and treats the. Rudely and abusively”.

StefanosHill · 21/07/2023 11:07

Barbadossunset · 21/07/2023 10:55

In the Coutts document, this surprised me:
he has not made any inappropriate remarks to our staff and treats them professionally and with courtesy’.

You’d have thought along with all the other lies they’d have made up another one and said “he’s made many inappropriate remarks to staff and treats the. Rudely and abusively”.

Of course he hasn’t, why would he do anything else

The person who wrote the document sounds like they’ve been whipped into a Twitter frenzy and lame political position

What a joke

ThisTimeIts · 21/07/2023 11:28

AgathaSpencerGregson · 21/07/2023 10:21

https://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/
you can complain here if you feel you’ve been treated unfairly by a bank, if you’ve already complained direct to the bank and they have dismissed it. They are quite helpful if you call them, I find

The actual supermarket not the bank refused me a food delivery.

I don't want to derail the thread. Just making a point that people are being cancelled in every institution as non people and others will be cheering it on.

Kendodd · 21/07/2023 11:37

ThisTimeIts · 21/07/2023 11:28

The actual supermarket not the bank refused me a food delivery.

I don't want to derail the thread. Just making a point that people are being cancelled in every institution as non people and others will be cheering it on.

The supermarket refused to deliver your shopping because of your political views? How did they know your views?

AutumnCrow · 21/07/2023 13:23

ThisTimeIts · 21/07/2023 09:36

I am the case. I took the issue up with head office and was basically told I am a worthless human who deserved to starve due my political views, they used different language though.

And I’ve experienced it with the NHS.

lljkk · 21/07/2023 14:10

WrigglyDonCat · 20/07/2023 22:10

Or a much less of a controversial figure for the vast majority of people, let's say it was J K Rowling who had her accounts closed for certain of her views...

I'm guessing most of the Coutts apologists on here would probably not approve of that, but Nasty Nige is fair game.

I don't think it's certain NF had his account closed due to his political views. He alleges that they were closed for that reason, but he's not able to produce proof & Coutts can't produce proof otherwise without violating GDPR / customer confid. info. So we will never know. NF can accuse Coutts of whatever he likes, basically.

Re JKRowling: depends what the views are. If she starts saying it's ok to feed little children to pigs then I couldn't muster sympathy. I guess main thing is that private banks are supposed to be ultra snooty about who their customers are, aren't they?

N0ëlle · 21/07/2023 14:12

I think it's ridiculous, he is right wing but if people with his views are allowed to run for election then how can his views be so bad his bank account is suspended.

Barbadossunset · 21/07/2023 14:13

I don't think it's certain NF had his account closed due to his political views.

So why is the CEO apologising? They were happy to break confidentiality about his not having enough money in the bank so why aren’t they sticking to that reason?