Woman jailed over (very late on in pregnancy) abortion, released on appeal...

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Carla Foster: Mother jailed over lockdown abortion to be released - BBC News

So should she have been released? Or made to serve her sentence?

YABU, no she should NOT have been released.

YANBU, yes she SHOULD have been released.

Interested to hear people views.

This baby didn’t survive at that gestation however. Abortion pills DO NOT kill the fetus or cause any harm to it. The way they work is they induce labour. Abortion happens as the fetus cannot survive being born at that gestation. When having a late abortion feticide is used (to stop the heart prior to labour) as with abortion pills alone the fetus will likely be born alive.

Shr killed a baby not a fetus, it was murder not abortion. She shouldn’t have been released.

Again I didn’t say that.

Mental capacity should be assumed unless proven otherwise.

That’s the legal framework. You are welcome to look up capacity assessments and deprivation of liberty if you wish but there is a very clear framework already in place to assess someone who you suspect to not have capacity.

I am pointing out that there is a huge difference between being mentally unwell and not having capacity and it’s insulting to those who suffer mental illness to try and claim otherwise.

How can you murder something that legally doesn’t have a right to life? The U.K. law is that a fetus doesn’t gain the right to life until birth, regardless of gestation.

But bodily autonomy, as it is being advocated for here, is an absolute right. If anybody can take it away from you for any reason, even mental incapacity, then it is no longer ‘her body her choice’ is it? It’s ‘her body her choice as long as she meets X and Y criteria’.

Very easily it would seem for the likes of this woman.

This is the 3rd time you’ve now misquoted what I’ve said or claimed I said something I didn’t.

To be clear bodily autonomy is an absolute right. Some people lack capacity and in such cases there is a legal framework where deprivation of liberty occurs. This is very rare and there is a complex legal pathway for this to happen. No one has to prove capacity, it should be assumed unless proven otherwise.

How about going forward you continue the debate yourself and just invent in your head my side seeing as you’re doing that anyway.

Abortion pills (mifepristone) do not directly bring about foeticide but blocking progesterone and causing the lining of the uterus to detach, presumably the placenta too at this stage, will lead to foetal death. There is usually a delay before taking Misoprostol which causes the uterus to contract and empty. Progesterone blockers are not part of induced labour protocols.

I'm not aware of any research carried out to study the effects of these drugs at such a late stage of pregnancy but given the mode of action and dosing schedule it would seem logical that foeticide could be indirectly achieved by inducing placental abruption, the delayed delivery resulting in a still birth effectively. It's impossible to assert that these drugs do not harm the foetus at 30+ pregnancy because we do not have the research to prove that.

I don't know where you are but as far as I'm aware, in the UK, we do not ultrasound women prior to giving tablets for medical abortion. I certainly didn't have one when I was given them nearly 25 years ago. They are certainly risky if you happen to have an undiagnosed ectopic.

To be fair to the OP I had to do a search to find this one. I actually thought people would comment on the original thread but perhaps it was full,

I am glad she was released, I think the case has sent out enough of a message (we won't prosecute men for rape but if a woman does something bad, we will).

Well the Court of Appeal judges were also privy to that information and took a different view (more qualified, as they are more senior).

The child had no choice. It was a child that could have survived outside the womb. When you are pregnant some of the your body your choice goes out the window.

The same way smoking drinking and drugs are intentionally harming a baby so should be chargeable as assault.

Her existing children will have their mummy home.

They matter too.

That is why it is imperative to have the choice not to be pregnant anymore.

And where do we stop with the notion of assault charges for smoking/alcohol/drugs during pregnancy?

I think what she did is despicable

I find what she did utterly disgusting. That baby could have survived. I was born at 29 weeks and am now a 28year old with a life. She is disgraceful

It is very unusual for someone to do this. She was desperate. I don't think that putting her in prison is appropriate or proportionate.

But these are not chargeable because in the U.K. a fetus has no rights to life until birth.

Same, I was born at 27 weeks.. 41years ago! I have sight issues but for the most part had no serious issues.
Can't believe people's take on this, poor baby.