This isn't our heat wave, but the next one could be

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Or if we mess up the jet stream, arctic winters.

We have really messed up horrifically, haven't we.

I am scared its too late to put right

@A303 there's a new educational documentary out soon "How to Tame your Fire Ant".

Why would you expect anyone to do any of these things?

King Charles jets around the world to various functions, Sunak does similar and built a swimming pool recently, even getting a new 3 phase supply in to heat it.

If the people in charge just talk about it, well, the population won't change.

Fwiw i think people are concerned but business and politicians are carrying on as before, so we all do, 99.9% of people want to be led.

@helford your post is really (genuinely) interesting.

While I find your overall POV really frustrating, your 99.9% comment is actually really thought provoking.

That's the point.

I don't eat much meat, and never have done

I have a passport solely for identification purposes and have never left my own country (I haven't even flown within my own country)

I don't drive and walk everywhere, if I leave town it is by public transport.

For those of us that have the privilege of working in a bit of this space, it's easy to think that everyone else has a similar level of awareness. Easily done I guess when you live and breath it.

I guess this goes for any kind of specialist.

I try to be tempered in my responses, I'll try harder.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/costs-topple-huge-vattenfall-wind-farm-project-r82r2rmj2

Things like this are a perfect example: project abandoned because it's no longer viable for Sweden's state energy company to develop this UK project and make an immediate profit.

Why are we auctioning this stuff off and asking Sweden's state energy company to do it? Why can't we build and run our own infrastructure, like most other countries?

Why do we need other countries' state providers to run our energy, transport and water infrastructure for profit??

Yes it’s scandalous.

We voted to sell everything off and now do not have the expertise to do these projects in house.

TBF though, its not abandoned, its that they want a higher cost cost per unit generated..... i.e more expensive electricity for us.

I think rather more worrying, is the failure to convince Uxbridge voters of the benefits of the ULEZ policy, its incredible really, they voted to try and keep heavily polluting vehicles on the road & damage the health of themselves and their children.

We voted to sell everything off and now do not have the expertise to do these projects in house.

Yes, and the Vattenfall company doesn't exactly have a squeaky clean historical reputation when it comes to bribery and corruption. Much like the government that awarded the contract.

Funny that.

I stick them all in the dishwasher tbh then into the recycling

Yes I loved the bit about the ants eating the ponies...not sure what that says about me!

Omg, how many times. You don't really think none of this is to do with human activity do you??

@helford now do not have the expertise to do these projects in house

Yes we do, don't make things up.

Lol, no we most certainly don't or we would be.

Lol, no we most certainly don't or we would be.

I don't think that's the reason @helford . We have some of the best engineers in the world. It's Government ideology, outsource everything and make no investment in our infrastructure as a public good. And the chickens are coming home to roost now.

No but what we do DOES affect us locally. So we can plant trees, reduce pollution and not waste water. That all helps the local environment, even if China and India are increasing emissions generally and Putin lays waste to Ukraine and blows things up pumping yet more crap into the atmosphere.

Even if you don't agree climate change is down to humans, improving the local environment and not wasting resources are good things to do.

I genuinely think it’s going to head towards an apocalyptic scenario of haves/have nots. The have are currently doing little to mitigate or plan ahead for further damage to the climate. Food, water and places to live will become more and more scarce and therefore more and more expensive. Healthcare drifting towards the provenance of the rich, further education is becoming less and less affordable for working class families, and social mobility grinding to a halt. I guess survival of the fittest in this situation means survival of the wealthiest (more often than not born into it, not from ‘working hard’ - whatever the fuck that means). There will be mass migration, and wars, people literally fighting to stay alive (wonder what it was like as one human species moved into the territories of the original inhabitants).

yes, it’s evolution, but it’s not natural evolution.

and everything @SpinCycles says

In answer to A303's questions: I eat an (almost) vegan diet (I am eating eggs right now because of a health issue that means I have been advised to get extra protein). I haven't flown for 5 years, and go abroad by public transport. I have a car and do not do 'Sunday' driving. I use it more than I should (a couple of journeys a week) because I am effectively disabled at the moment, but I will have surgery in the next 4-6 months that should be curative, after which I intend to use it only rarely.

Honestly, none of this is really a great inconvenience. Changes like this do not deserve to be greeted with horror and fear, because they're laughably minor. (Nor do they deserve some kind of shining halo! They're easy!).

We are.

The majority of the Vattenfall employees developing the site would be UK employees, the majority of the supply chain would be UK based.

The research and development would be undertaken by the UK Catapults.

The UK is THE world leader in offshore wind with more than 3x the installed capacity of no 2 Denmark. More than half of Europe's offshore wind has been installed by the UK.

I don't understand why you are so keen to run our country down when you clearly know nothing about renewable technology.

Renewable energy is genuinely something we lead the world on and something we should be proud of.

Oops 2x and Germany.

I don't disagree with your arguments, SpinCycles, but frankly pressuring our politicians in a democracy is fruitless. They know damn well that if they even started to address this with real political action, they'd be voted out in a heart beat. I am sure governments are well aware what we are heading into, but know they are helpless to do much about it.

We should all be forced to watch Way To Go: Life at the End of Empire. That film changed the way I thought about everything.

Sorry, that should be What A Way to Go: Life at the End of Empire.