This isn't our heat wave, but the next one could be

[orangeleavesinautumn]

Or if we mess up the jet stream, arctic winters.

We have really messed up horrifically, haven't we.

I am scared its too late to put right

Haven't read the full thread, but thought this picture was interesting.

I have to use my tumble dryer if I want my washing to dry. It has done nothing but rain here for the last couple of weeks. I’d never have dry towels if I had to hang them outside.

I find towels dry ok inside. I hang them from the curtain rail with skirt hangers, so they're single thickness when hung, and they dry in a few hours, less in the winter when the heating's on. They dry much more quickly like that than they do on an airer. I do the same with sheets, too.

I concede they don't look very attractive, but as I say, it's only for a few hours.

Just by looking at the answers on this thread,e.g will not change my eating habits, love meat, China should sort it, nothing will happen remember ozone layer etc, you can already deduce that of course, it's too late op. Don't worry, once jet stream shifts there won't be anything left to eat anyway, including grazing animals as they too will die. Problem =(us) will sort itself out as population reduces dramatically. Earth continues and remaining species, cockroaches I guess, will celebrate our demise.

Totally agree with this. And it's incredibly psychologically helpful to be with other people who are feeling scared too and want to do something about it.
https://www.parentsforfuture.org.uk/
https://groups.friendsoftheearth.uk
https://www.mpwatch.org/
https://extinctionrebellion.uk/act-now/local-groups/
https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/volunteering/
Or if you put in your postcode here it will bring up groups local to you: https://www.stopcambo.org.uk/who-we-are
Possible run a climate perks scheme for workplaces: https://www.wearepossible.org/climate-perks

For anyone feeling a lot of anxiety, the book Turn the Tide on Climate Anxiety may be helpful:https://www.waterstones.com/book/turn-the-tide-on-climate-anxiety/megan-kennedy-woodard/dr-patrick-kennedy-williams/9781839970672 or
https://www.climatepsychologyalliance.org/index.php/find-support

I also think parents that always say ‘I will eat as much meat as I want.’ Are not really thinking of their children’s futures, it’s a statement which shows the complete ignorance of the future their own children face. I think humans are a very selfish species and it’s only when we look at ourselves, we realise the enormity of our actions and choices. I’m far from perfect, nobody is but everyone can make a small difference, they just choose not to. This video sums it up perfectly.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kbS1VJyonuA&pp=ygUcaHVtYW5zIGRlc3Ryb3lpbmcgdGhlIHBsYW5ldA%3D%3D

As a species we're fools. The few among us can't turn this ship around.

As long as the ground js dry the washing will dry- even if it’s not that warm. Ok a winery day if there is no rain for 1 hour your towels will be dry but it’s difficult if you are out at work.
The best way is to find somewhere under cover but outside - ie a conservatory with the door open, or by the back door open or under a canopy.
if all else fails I put mine over an airer - just one or two towels, near an open window. Even if raining it does dry:
Wet weather but not warm enough to have heating on is harder but that’s only a few months of the year- the rest of the time some heating is on for at least an hour or two

When people post I don’t care if we all die at least the planet will go on, well I don’t get it if they have dc

I understand it more if they don’t but what makes me fearful is my dc’s lives. And how we fucked it up before they arrived and what we can do to stop that.

I don’t mind changing habits, we’ve done that. But I think people put it on to business and politicians because it’s easier than changing habits. Those two groups exist and reflect us because we buy as we do and want what we do.

A lot worried about this have probably got youngish children so people do probability care more about what happens but my life is near the end, my child is an adult so what will be will be, I will likely be dead anyway. I did change my car though to an EV as my last one was worn out and haven't bothered with a new kitchen or eat meat because I don't like it

It may be a scientifically proven fact that plants are not as detrimental to the environment as animals but a kg of lettuce does not have the same nutritional value a kilo of chicken; the figures are not comparing like with like in terms of nutrition which is surely the relevant factor. We'd struggle to be well nourished if we simply replaced beef for bananas on a weight for weight basis.

We are also seeing an increase in highly processed plant based food so we may be able to calculate the CO2 emissions of raw ingredients but I've yet to see a comparison for an unprocessed cut of meat Vs a highly processed plant based alternative.

I haven't eaten meat for 30 years so I'm not arguing from a position of resistance.

It's rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic

We need to consume less, and what we do still consume needs to be as low impact as possible.

And we need to get that through to companies and governments, and we need to work together globally.

Or we can bicker to death about which specific actions to take, and lose the main point of at least taking some action, whilst supporting other actions and keeping up the political and consumer pressure for even more

Not much point being a well nourished but extinct species though is there?

Even if people don’t give up they could radically cut down. 95% of meals on the ‘what’s for tea’ thread are red meat based. They must also cost a fortune. I’m not surprised people say their food bills are high if they’re eating pork or beef every day. You only need a couple of portions a week to satisfy dietary requirements

It is too late. We should do what we can but it is too late to repair all of the damage.

The problem isn't you or I and our recycling levels- it is that countries around the world (like China/India/Brazil) continue to cause massive pollution with their (almost unregulated) industries, destroy vitally important natural resources (the Amazon Rainforest), and deplete the world of natural resources and pollutant causing fuels. The effects of this on climate, wildlife, insects and plants are horrific. I recycle everything I can, use as little plastic, gas, petrol and electricity as possible, never fly, walk locally where possible or use public transport, don't eat meat, rarely buy anything new, never buy takeaways but it's pretty pointless really against what these countries keep doing.

What about your grandchildren? Are you fond of animals?

Exactly this. If there one thing that doesn't keep me awake at night it's this.

I knew this 20 years away when I finished my related degree.

Humans are incapable with continuing life on this planet. Its self inflicted

@LakieLady

you can get damp and mould in your house doing it like that

Where do you live out of interest?
looking at that- all towels and clothes hung out first thing tomorrow!

I agree, it is too late to wait for the inaction of world leaders, they are too focused on making money and new projects which are contributing to the very existence of climate change. There are just not enough people to push for change. It starts with the human population.

I also feel we are close to (or already at) a critical tipping point. The damage we have caused is irreversible, and as humans are far too selfish and greedy, we won't make any of the changes necessary to change our path. I think its too late now anyway.

I'm very glad I chose to not have children. However, I always thought climate change would really start to hit home after I was gone (in 40-50 years). Now...not so much. The data and the speed with which things are changing year on year is terrifying.

I live in a large city in a large warm wealthy country, and am actively considering selling up and buying a few acres and a small cottage somewhere with a more cool/moderate climate. I have 3 passports so a few legal options. Somewhere where I can grow my own food. I have the skills and increasingly, and feel I would suit the hermit lifestyle. I've always considered it, but the urge is growing year on year.

I’ve done it for years and never had mould or damp. The key is to air the house- always keep some windows on vent- all through the year.
Honestly how did people manage 40 years ago before the wide spread use of tumble dryers?

Instead of arguing over too much meat, face the reality that it's the major countries like the US and China who refuse to control emissions from industry.

Destruction of the rain forests (which help prevent damage to the ozone layer) is happening because of the industrial scale processes of growing soya, nuts and other food.

Maybe instead of the meat and dairy argument, also think about your holidays, where you fly to, and the fruit and veg that's all out of season and flown 1000s of miles before it gets to Aldi.

Maybe talk about only consuming food grown in the UK that has no air miles.

But when they have a public demanding better services, more housing, higher benefits, more medical care, they have to focus on money making don’t they? Or are the public willing to park all that for some years and focus on the climate emergency? They can’t solve everything and keep the voters happy.

There was a poster complaining about "having to whack the heating on" in one of the threads moaning about the rain this week.

We became a first world country and built our wealth on environment destroying industries in other countries at a time when we didn’t even know what a climate emergency was. I can understand how, now we do know, the poorer countries want to put two fingers up at us when we suggest they stop making money to save us.

No grandchildren and never likely to be, animals live and die in nature anyway