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AIBU to think I should have been able to get help with behaviour of DS(6) before getting to crisis point?

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Sink23 · 09/07/2023 20:00

My DS is 6 and is currently in year 2.

I’ll preface the below (which sounds terrible on re-reading but is all true) by saying or DS is sometimes a very loving and kind boy, usually when he’s getting 100% of our attention immediately and also getting to do exactly what he wants when he wants. We absolutely adore DS and sometimes think we’ve caused this by spoiling him too much when he was younger (he’s an only child and only attended nursery at age 3 for a few months before Covid hit) - with both physical things and our full attention.

His behaviour can be absolutely atrocious at home. He still has frequent temper tantrums and not a single “technique” we’ve tried to deal with these has helped at all, he will scream for hours if we leave him to it and likely become a danger to himself, us or really damage our house/things so we sometimes have no choice but to restrain him (he’ll then try to but us, but usually calms down in 10 minutes or so if we stay silent and effectively hold his arms and legs). He’s a very petit 6 year old but he is getting bigger so I’m worried he’s not learning his owns ways of dealing with these emotions because all of our friends’ kids outgrew tantrums years ago.

He refuses point blank to follow our instructions whether this is related to either “doing” or “stopping” something and if he’s cross he regularly shout in our face (just noise, not words) and also frequently tells us how much he hates us. He seems to have learnt that this gets a reaction from me/DH but we do our best to not show it.

Whilst we’re not perfect, our family is totally normal and I think DS has a “nice” life. DH isn’t DS’ dad but has been in his life since he was 1, bio-dad has never been part of DS’ life and there’s no siblings. DS has plenty of clubs, attention from us and does not have a high amount of tech time (he sometimes plays some games on the computer, usually Minecraft or the games from school, but we decided against allowing him the mindless play on a tablet because it had an immediately negative effect on his behaviour during Covid and he’s never really asked for it since). We have tried so many different ways of dealing with this but nothing has worked and we’re at our wits end.

In school, he’s an absolute middle of the pack child. In reception he was able to attend through lockdown as we were key workers. In reception/year 1 it was always brought up that he struggled to pay attention/follow instructions but the school weren’t particularly concerned by this. However, now he’s in year 2 a few of the more challenging behaviours are also showing in school - as well as not paying attention, he’s answering teachers back and starting to say no to them. Obviously now this is a massive issue to the school and I’m constantly being dragged in to discuss this with various people.

We asked for help via our Council’s families service a few years ago but were told that we weren’t disadvantaged so didn’t qualify, but when we asked for help we could pay for none was offered. We also asked for help from the school last year (hoping they’d be able to signpost, rather than necessarily help) but they pretty much said there can’t be any issue at home because DS is fine at school, and DS was probably just in his “safe space”.

AIBU to think that had there been any help available when I asked for it, it would have been possible to “nip this is the bud” rather than the resultant situation where it’s now a huge problem?

Any genuine suggestions/help/experiences are absolutely appreciated here. Please no bashing me and assuming that we’re bad parents. We’ve definitely done things wrong on occasions, but we’re not awful people or trying to excuse the behaviour. We asked for help when it became obvious what we were doing was t working and hit brick walls - we really have tried and it’s a constant worry that our DS is the “naughty child”.

Thank you.

OP posts:
pandarific · 10/07/2023 12:34

@Sink23 have a look at this as something you could try which is recommended for children with PDA profiles.
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GoblinAeroplane · 10/07/2023 18:38

Yellowlegobrick · 09/07/2023 20:37

When you impose consequences and discipline, are you calm and controlled, avoiding:

  • pleading with him
  • negotiating
  • getting upset yourself

Are you:

  • sticking to a clearly communicated boundary, no changing your mind etc
  • banning all screens
  • having a very consistent routine at home, regular meal times
  • sticking to an age appropriate bedtime eg. 7.30pm that's been stuck to for at least a few weeks
  • cutting back on busy stimulating scheduled activities/clubs and providing enough free choice play time

Its very hard with kids this age to see what is a real additional need and how much is a mix of parenting, effects of covid lockdowns, perhaps underlying health issues impacting sleep.

If you didn't do the discipline/boundaries stuff when he was younger and are trying to do it now, be prepared that its standard for it to get worse before it gets better as there may be a lot of bad habits/overtiredness & learning new behaviours to overcome.

I think this is very strong advice.

When my son was 4 his behaviour was flagged and sounds very like your son's. He basically started tantruming at 2 as most kids do, but as they grew out of it, my son got worse. We tried lots of different methods for months and the breakthrough came with getting him to talk about his emotions when we could see he was close to losing it. Catch it as early as possible and ask how he was feeling. Are you angry? Are you frustrated? Is something unfair? Etc etc. At first it seemed to jolt him out of the tantrum by distracting him. And over time it stuck. We did a lot of work talking about emotions (not when he was in tantrum mode, but when he was calm). What emotions mean, how we experience them etc. It's been about 18 months now and it's made a huge difference.

Sorry if this sounds simplistic - I don't have any knowledge or experience of the medical options people are mentioning. But I think sometimes we as parents forget not all kids learn everything through experience. Some of our kids need to be really 'taught' about some of the most basic things like emotions.

I hope you find a solution and things work out well for your family.

RainbowStew · 11/07/2023 09:43

Yellowlegobrick · 09/07/2023 20:37

When you impose consequences and discipline, are you calm and controlled, avoiding:

  • pleading with him
  • negotiating
  • getting upset yourself

Are you:

  • sticking to a clearly communicated boundary, no changing your mind etc
  • banning all screens
  • having a very consistent routine at home, regular meal times
  • sticking to an age appropriate bedtime eg. 7.30pm that's been stuck to for at least a few weeks
  • cutting back on busy stimulating scheduled activities/clubs and providing enough free choice play time

Its very hard with kids this age to see what is a real additional need and how much is a mix of parenting, effects of covid lockdowns, perhaps underlying health issues impacting sleep.

If you didn't do the discipline/boundaries stuff when he was younger and are trying to do it now, be prepared that its standard for it to get worse before it gets better as there may be a lot of bad habits/overtiredness & learning new behaviours to overcome.

Although well intentioned, I would say that this approach can be damaging and quite disastrous for a neurodivergent child, particularly with PDA traits.

I’m going to give it a good guess that you have tried “boundaries” already OP.

The “age appropriate bedtime” is also not that helpful for a child who is very likely to be neurodivergent child <eyes ASD DD who can only get to sleep with a combination of melatonin and watching tv in bed> and believe me, we had tried all the traditional “bedtime routine” advice for years before realising this is what works!

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