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BIL disciplining my 3 year old..

105 replies

babyshar · 09/07/2023 09:24

First of all, my BIL is great. He's 30 and has no kids yet.

He loves my DD and DS a lot and is a great uncle.

I have nothing against other adults setting boundaries for my kids, generally. They need to hear no from other adults they spend time with, especially if they're doing something unsafe etc.

BIL has started being really quite strict with my DD. It's like he thinks we are too soft and he's trying to take it upon himself to be consistent and strict with her.

He gets into battle of wills with my 3 year old, which I just think are unnecessary.

For example if we are playing a game and my DD isn't quite understanding the rules properly and being a bit silly and not wanting to wait her turn, he'll make a really big point of being super strict about it, rather than leaving it to me to sort out in a more positive way. He'll get into a battle and she ends up crying. I'm not saying he is wrong for trying to teach her, but his approach is the way I would have approached it pre kids. Now I actually have them, I don't get into these kinds of battles constantly. I would just explain it calmly to her a few times and if she continued not taking turns, I may just end the activity and focus on something different whilst explaining that we need to play games by taking turns etc.

My BIL will dangle stuff in front of her and say she can't play it she's not playing properly and gets into these huge battles which end up in her crying.

Other times she wants to play with whatever toy my brother in law has. Rather than redirecting her, he'll get into another battle and dangles it ' you can't have this one, it's mine ! No! You can't have this one '.. again, leaves DD upset. I would either just give her what I was playing with or I would try to focus on what she had and explain gently that I was playing with the other toy and she needs to wait until I'm finished. If I got into a full on confrontation every time DD was behaving this way, I would be fighting with her constantly.

Anyway, some may say I'm too soft or whatever. But it's how I parent. I don't like how BIL does it and I don't think it works well. I think that kind of ' discipline ' should only come from parents. Not even our boomer parents get into these battles with her. Of course they tell her 'no ' and explain things to her, but they don't make her cry and leave the heavy lifting to me.

I want tell BIL to stop doing it and I also feel a little bit like he thinks how we parent her is wrong, because we don't do what he does. I think he thinks he can do it better by being super strict. So that annoys me as well.

Can anyone relate ?

I know I'll probably get a lot of posts saying that I'm super soft and unreasonable and that BIL is doing the right thing etc. but I thought I would post anyway.

OP posts:
amylou8 · 09/07/2023 11:09

I wouldn't have been happy with anyone trying to parent my kids when I was present. Is BIL NT? He sounds just like my autistic DS who's in his 20s. Either way he's massively over stepping and I'd/DH would be having a word.

rwalker · 09/07/2023 11:12

Just have a word
he’s not king herard he’s someone with no parenting skills or kids

babyshar · 09/07/2023 11:16

@blahblahblah1654 I wish I was gen X. They sound so cool and probably wouldn't start a thread like this 🤣

OP posts:
zerofuchsgivenTBH · 09/07/2023 11:20

Very true User1367349.

It was for a long time simply a descriptor of that generation. In the same way that for a long time Karen was simply a woman's name.

Both have now become ways to belittle/mock older people and women.

I think that's why people don't realise it can now be used as an insult. Because its meaning has shifted gradually, it's not a new word but the warping of an existing one.

blahblahblah1654 · 09/07/2023 11:21

rwalker · 09/07/2023 11:12

Just have a word
he’s not king herard he’s someone with no parenting skills or kids

Love this comment!

Davros · 09/07/2023 11:24

Children being teased by adults is not nice, it stays with them. DH (65!) still mentions this happening to him as a child. He doesn't mention it often, only if the subject comes up, but he hasn't forgotten it

NadjaCravensworth1 · 09/07/2023 11:26

Soontobe60 · 09/07/2023 09:26

Why are adults playing with children’s toys? Both of you sound very childish.

Huh? Why do adults play with their children? I'm pretty sure you realise it's not for their own benefit

EsmeSusanOgg · 09/07/2023 11:28

JenniferBarkley · 09/07/2023 09:38

Definitely sounds more like an expert parent with no kids rather than a bully.

Would he take a hint? Play with them and then when he starts just laugh and say "trust me BIL, pick your battles, she just isn't old enough to get this yet" with a laugh and try to divert them in a more positive way.

Yeah - pre kids my understanding of the vast difference between a 3 year old and a 6 year old in terms of impulse control and concentration was totally out of whack.

He sounds like he doesn't understand that little kids may be able to chatter and have their own personalities etc. but that emotional regulation and impulses and being able to follow/ remember rules of games is not something they are very good at.

I swear, mentally, when I was in my 20s early 30s, I lumped 3-7 age in as one. But of course, there's a huge amount of development between those ages. I suspect BIL has done the same.

FictionalCharacter · 09/07/2023 11:31

He isn't being firm, or a disciplinarian, or setting boundaries. He's teasing and bullying a 3 year old child and making her cry. It isn't anything to do with not being a parent - I would never have done that before I had kids. But my uncle who did have kids used to tease and bully children a lot.
I would have to put a stop to this. You've tried being subtle, so it's time to tell him that this is bullying, not discipline, and besides, 3 year olds don't need iron discipline.
If he won't stop, I'd cut down contact to the minimum. I couldn't stand watching an adult making my toddler cry like that.

GeorgeSpeaks · 09/07/2023 11:32

My childfree authoritarian brother always told me that "you don't negotiate with toddlers'. Ffs that's all you fucking do!

EsmeSusanOgg · 09/07/2023 11:36

iwantmyownicecreamvan · 09/07/2023 10:38

Boomers has become an insult though - I didn't used to mind being referred to as a baby boomer as it was factual, but boomer is always used in conjunction with something insulting. Even in the context the OP used it - "Not even our boomer parents get into these battles with her" is negative - golly if not even your boomer parents do it, then it MUST be bad.

Yes, what your BIL is doing is wrong and you are correct to address it, but this baby boomer parent most certainly did not parent that way.

I think this happened in response to Millennials being constantly picked on in the media as 'young people' and thrown in with Gen Z, when we're actually pretty middle-aged!

But yeah, saying 'boomer' in reference to generations is fine. But 'Ok boomer' is clearly an insult to dismiss someones viewpoint - and is not ok.

SammyScrounge · 09/07/2023 11:37

MaryJanesonabreak · 09/07/2023 09:29

He’s playing with her and then bullying her.

Great uncles don't drive a 3 year old to tears..
Your daughter is being bullied over something she doesn't quite understand.yet.
You have to tell him that she needs a gentler more patient approach.or else the toys get put away when he s around.

mondaytosunday · 09/07/2023 11:38

He doesn't seem to appreciate three year old brains don't work the way adult brains do. There are things they simply will not understand no matter how logically you try and be. You need to have a word with him - he certainly shouldn't be going against your methods.

romdowa · 09/07/2023 11:41

Surely you tell him straight to stop being a dick to a 3 year old? Stand up for you child ffs

Topseyt123 · 09/07/2023 11:42

He's not being a great uncle and disciplining her. He's being a goady, bullying twat who she will soon learn to fear and dislike, if she hasn't already.

You need to intervene here and tell him in no uncertain terms to back off and stop this inappropriate bullshit. Don't drop hints, be blunt and protect your child.

Marsyas · 09/07/2023 11:45

babyshar · 09/07/2023 10:56

That's what I just realised too ! Gen X don't get much crap at all !

We used to, as “the slacker generation”.
Now we just keep our heads down Grin

2bazookas · 09/07/2023 12:09

TELL HIM "this is not how we treat DC , stop doing it. My way or the high way".

As he's so hot on punishment consequences, he'll understand " If you don't play by MY rules I shall take DC away so you can't play with her."

Seeline · 09/07/2023 12:17

This has nothing to do with discipline.
Your BIL just enjoys teasing your child - maybe it's a power thing.
You need to stand up for your child - every time he starts tell him loudly and clearly to stop bullying her and move on to something else. Pack up the toys/game or take her to a different room.

AlfietheSchnauzer · 09/07/2023 12:20

Soontobe60 · 09/07/2023 09:26

Why are adults playing with children’s toys? Both of you sound very childish.

You clearly don't have kids or never played with them if you did! HmmBiscuit

AlfietheSchnauzer · 09/07/2023 12:22

Why are you allowing him to bully your 3yr old???? Intentionally or otherwise, bullying her is what he is doing! Protect your kid and defend her ffs

DamaskRosie · 09/07/2023 12:28

Sounds like he has no understanding of 3yos and is trying to teach her a lesson in a way which might work with a 8yo (although frankly it's a bit combative even for a 8yo). I think people with no experience of kids sometimes reach for their memories of being a kid and as a result completely misunderstand what a small child is capable of grasping and how they learn. So it's really nothing to do with being strict or soft and everything to do with his approach being wrong for her stage of development.

I'd probably start by pointing this out (and you can do this quite lightly- "Bob, she's only 3, she doesn't know what you're talking about") but then if he persists I'd stop the interaction entirely. It's not fair on your daughter as she's just ending up confused and distressed.

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 09/07/2023 12:44

My brother could be a bit like this before he had kids, I had to tell him he could give parenting advice once he was actually a parent. Now he has a baby he's all admiration for how I have raised dd!

Have a word with him and tell him it's not okay.

Hotgoose · 09/07/2023 13:17

Wtf?! Your her parents, he doesn’t get to make rule or discipline your child, tell him, or her husband to tell him, to sod off and keep
his nose out, he’s bang out of order but so are you for letting him do this.

Crimblecrumble1990 · 09/07/2023 13:55

I think I would just keep them away from each other, if he tries to engage her in a game I would probably join in too and shut down any stupid behaviour from him by distracting her with something else when he starts.

I know I didn't understand the changes in a child's developing brain until I had kids but would never have made my niece cry...

Also i get what you meant with the boomer comment. Obviously you don't mean everyone of that age but it is general way of referring to the parenting style of that generation which I think is different to the current accepted style of more gentle parenting now.

Dogscanteatonions · 10/07/2023 09:40

Do NOT meet this happen to your child. I didn't my childhood terrified of my uncle who was kind this. I was glad when he died and have never forgiven my parents for letting it happen