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All drivers should have eye sight tests to retain their licence

165 replies

LoisPrice · 04/07/2023 18:23

and they should be every 5 years reducing to yearly when over 70 years old https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-66053510

Jim Tassell smiles with a medal around his neck after participating in a race

Concerns about older drivers rising, DVLA figures suggest

The number of people contacting the DVLA worried about someone's fitness to drive is rising.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-66053510

OP posts:
FrozenGhost · 04/07/2023 23:08

Similar to pp I'm in Australia and yes, an eye test is done at the counter when you renew your licence, by the person processing the forms. The chart is in a cupboard and they just open the door and ask you to read the line. It takes less than a minute.

AdoraBell · 04/07/2023 23:09

FIL is 89. He lost eye sight in one eye, still drives. Had an operation, went wrong. Still driving. Another operation which worked and now he says the sight is slowing improving and driving is easier because with both eyes he can see more clearly.

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 23:11

I only mean older people over about 60 that suddenly have to start wearing glasses not people that have always worn them.

HadalyEve · 04/07/2023 23:14

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 23:11

I only mean older people over about 60 that suddenly have to start wearing glasses not people that have always worn them.

But surely that depends on what your corrected vision is? It doesn’t matter what age you are when you need glasses, all that matters is your corrected vision with glasses.

speluncean · 04/07/2023 23:17

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 23:11

I only mean older people over about 60 that suddenly have to start wearing glasses not people that have always worn them.

Why? What's the difference?

CC4712 · 04/07/2023 23:18

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 22:27

People that have to wear glasses in later life should probably think twice about driving

Would you mind linking the research paper you have read or the medical evidence to support your claim? I'm very interested how people with corrected vision- of any age, should think twice about driving?

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 23:25

CC4712 · 04/07/2023 23:18

Would you mind linking the research paper you have read or the medical evidence to support your claim? I'm very interested how people with corrected vision- of any age, should think twice about driving?

Just my own experience. I could see the road fine with my glasses but close up was a bit blurry so it didn’t seem that good.

HadalyEve · 04/07/2023 23:27

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 23:25

Just my own experience. I could see the road fine with my glasses but close up was a bit blurry so it didn’t seem that good.

Have you asked your optician about varifocals? They are designed to correct that issue.

CC4712 · 04/07/2023 23:34

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 23:25

Just my own experience. I could see the road fine with my glasses but close up was a bit blurry so it didn’t seem that good.

So this is the reason you say People that have to wear glasses in later life should probably think twice about driving 🙄

Daffodilsandtuplips · 04/07/2023 23:40

I agree, I think all drivers should have eye tests every two years. It’s not only the elderly who suffer from eye problems. If you can afford to run a car then you should factor in the cost of an eye test in with the cost of running a car.
I’ve got glaucoma and had to notify the DVLA and take a test at at a DVLA centre when diagnosed to continue driving. The test involved reading a number plate at 20’. I passed. The onus is on the patient to notify but an optometrist can inform DVLA if he or she has reason to believe they won’t. It’s rare though.
I’ve since stopped driving now due to other conditions and I miss it, the glaucoma was never a problem.

HadalyEve · 04/07/2023 23:50

CC4712 · 04/07/2023 23:34

So this is the reason you say People that have to wear glasses in later life should probably think twice about driving 🙄

I’m glad they said why because it sounds like they need an optician to prescribe them some varifocal glasses. It’s not pleasant when your eyes are not fully corrected.

LoisPrice · 05/07/2023 05:25

The chart is in a cupboard and they just open the door and ask you to read the line. It takes less than a minute.

it doesn’t have to be difficult, it’s a test that could be conducted is siilomannerin U.K. at the theory test centres. Admin costs to cover costs and your 34.8 million drivers could be tested regularly, they not all be tested the same year. 6 million are aged over 70 years

OP posts:
FrippEnos · 05/07/2023 06:56

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 23:00

They probably need them

I see, so all the lunatic drivers on the roads, those that race against each other and those that spend the evening and late into the night doing donuts on the local supermarket's parking area all need glasses.

Suddenly it all makes sense. 🙄

gogomoto · 05/07/2023 08:00

@FrippEnos

The cheapest glasses i could buy were £29 still pretty cheap. I didn't as I wear varifocals

gogomoto · 05/07/2023 08:02

The number one problem here is lack of public transport. No car means housebound for many people, even in town it's a 30 minute walk to the nearest bus stop possibly more for the very slow. The drs is by the bus stop!

Willmafrockfit · 05/07/2023 08:03

what is the test they do at the age of 75?
just a phone call?

Willmafrockfit · 05/07/2023 08:05

there was an incorrect story on casualty, as usual, that a man with macular degeneration was driving when he shouldnt
you can still drive with macular degeneration

SoftAsABearsElbow · 05/07/2023 08:12

If eyes (and teeth) weren't considered an optional nice to have by the NHS we wouldn't have this problem as the tests would be free.

Totally agree with this. It's ridiculous that they are not.

Also agree about publlic transport. For as long as I can remember, several governments have promised to make it better and it has instead become worse and worse.

speluncean · 05/07/2023 08:14

gogomoto · 05/07/2023 08:02

The number one problem here is lack of public transport. No car means housebound for many people, even in town it's a 30 minute walk to the nearest bus stop possibly more for the very slow. The drs is by the bus stop!

This is very true.

IncomingTraffic · 05/07/2023 08:17

LoisPrice · 05/07/2023 05:25

The chart is in a cupboard and they just open the door and ask you to read the line. It takes less than a minute.

it doesn’t have to be difficult, it’s a test that could be conducted is siilomannerin U.K. at the theory test centres. Admin costs to cover costs and your 34.8 million drivers could be tested regularly, they not all be tested the same year. 6 million are aged over 70 years

But it’s not that easy. Because currently people in the UK do not visit a DVLA office to apply for or renew their licenses. The network of DVLA offices is small and not designed for the demand this would create.

It’s not just opening a cupboard door. It’s ensuring there are enough offices - conveniently located for people to use them. The offices also have to be designed so that eye tests can be administered in them (things like ensuring consistent lighting and placement and various issues that affect eye test results need to be considered too - it needs to be fair and accurate). That involves making changes to all the existing offices. The offices also have to be staffed. And trained to administer eye tests. And all the forms and processes need to be adapted to reflect the entirely new process.

Even the ‘just do it at theory test centres’ is naive. These centres aren’t operated by the DVLA and are not set up for eye tests. The staff are not trained to administer eye tests. There are capacity issues - it’s hard enough for people who need a theory test to book one without adding in appointments for everyone renewing a license, or updating their eye test every 2 years.

Same with ‘just’ getting opticians to do it. That’s creating an entirely new service and expecting independent businesses to just adapt their processes and create capacity (not just for the additional tests, but all the additional admin). Then there’s the data sharing issues. How is that going to be done? Is it going to be paper forms (for the DVLA to process, again requiring additional processes and resources) or some kind of electronic data sharing (which will require developing a whole IT system to achieve).

Then there’s the people who want all sorts of other tests in there. Reflexes. Who is going to administer that? Where? When? How are they going to be trained to properly and efficiently assess people’s reflexes? Will the test be fair to people with disabilities who are driving adapted cars? Cognitive tests? You going to get GPs to do that? 🤦🏻‍♀️😩 There’s so much spare capacity there, isn’t there?

It is so easy to decide there are easy fixes to these things. But there really isn’t. It’s complex stuff. Other countries have set their entire services up differently.

and there simply isn’t the evidence that doing all the work to make changes so there are more eye tests would significantly improve road safety. It’s easy to look at individual cases and think ‘something must be done’. But if you’re going to create new legislation and make big changes to driving licensing processes, you would want to be sure that it’s going to make a real difference.

Police data has shown that around 3,000 people are killed or injured by drivers with bad eyesight (or where eyesight has played a part in the cause of the collision) every year.

It sounds like eye tests would solve this problem on the surface. But whether it would actually make a difference is not clear. How many of those people just weren’t wearing prescribed glasses? How many of those cases was it the main, causative factor in the collision? In how many cases would the accident still (most likely) have happened if the driver had the right glasses on? This stuff makes a difference to whether your proposed solution will actually work.

If you go through the police accident data, they record all sorts of things. And they may determine that many things played a part in the cause of the collision. I’d guess that driving in the dark or in the rain is listed as a contributing factor to the cause of far, far more accidents on UK roads. Being distracted by your radio or fiddling with your centre console or dealing with fighting kids in the back of the car are also probably things that played a part in causing many, many collisions.

Maybe banning driving in the rain would make the bigger difference to road safety. Maybe insisting that cars don’t have distracting media systems would be better.

It’s not as simple as it might appear. And the stats are not as clear in defining the problem as people like to present them - never mind in determining the solution (which is different).

IncomingTraffic · 05/07/2023 08:31

How do you know that the money wouldn’t be more defectively spent on a road safety and eyesight campaign?

Or that it wouldn’t be better solved by spending the money on free eyetests and glasses for everyone?

Why are people so certain that including additional eye tests in licensing requirements is the best way to solve the problem?

I see this at work all the time. People so attached to the back of a fag packet ‘obvious’ solution they’ve come up with, and unwilling to actually think about what the problem really is and how it would be best to solve it.

IncomingTraffic · 05/07/2023 08:32

Effectively not defectively. 🤣

Dotjones · 05/07/2023 08:38

I'd rather see the minimum age for driving being raised to 30. A lot of accidents are caused by young, inexperienced drivers, so taking them off the road would inevitably reduce the number of accidents. There could also be a system where if you're involved in any kind of accident you're banned from driving for five years (even if you were entirely innocent). That would hopefully make people adopt a more risk-averse attitude when driving. I'd also have life imprisonment or the death penalty for anyone who drove without a licence/while disqualified/without insurance.

arapunzel · 05/07/2023 09:21

For those saying to just get drivers to read a chart at DVLA office/post office etc, that does not constitute a sight test. A sight test can only be performed by a registered optometrist/student optometrist under supervision/registered medical professional ie ophthalmologist.

Also just reading the chart could miss things like visual field loss

The biggest step right now would be to make it easier for Optometrists to be able to report to the DVLA those patients who have been told they longer meet the visual standard for driving.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 05/07/2023 09:27

Dotjones · 05/07/2023 08:38

I'd rather see the minimum age for driving being raised to 30. A lot of accidents are caused by young, inexperienced drivers, so taking them off the road would inevitably reduce the number of accidents. There could also be a system where if you're involved in any kind of accident you're banned from driving for five years (even if you were entirely innocent). That would hopefully make people adopt a more risk-averse attitude when driving. I'd also have life imprisonment or the death penalty for anyone who drove without a licence/while disqualified/without insurance.

I'm hoping this is a joke...