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All drivers should have eye sight tests to retain their licence

165 replies

LoisPrice · 04/07/2023 18:23

and they should be every 5 years reducing to yearly when over 70 years old https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-66053510

Jim Tassell smiles with a medal around his neck after participating in a race

Concerns about older drivers rising, DVLA figures suggest

The number of people contacting the DVLA worried about someone's fitness to drive is rising.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-66053510

OP posts:
HollaHolla · 04/07/2023 19:25

HollaHolla · 04/07/2023 19:22

I'd have everyone do a general competence test of driving when they have to renew their photo licence, every 10 years. Terrible driving (and poor eyesight) are not the sole issue of the over 70s.

For example, there's a young woman who lives near me who is a hazard and danger to all - drives through lights/across junctions/on pavements. Would love the Police to see her....

I recognise that this would be an additional expense/administrative burden, but a car is a deadly weapon in the wrong hands - and I'm fed up hearing things like 'my wife is a terrible driver, so I bought her an SUV, to keep her safe'. NO this is NOT a good idea.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 04/07/2023 19:27

Sirzy · 04/07/2023 18:36

I don’t understand why it’s not a requirement to send evidence of an eye test and purchase of suitable glasses/contacts to the DVLA every 2 years.

i wear glasses and my driving licence reflects this fact but the last time I had any official “test” of my sight to drive was being asked to read a number plate on the day of my test 20 years ago. I keep on top of my sight tests but how many drivers don’t?

How come it's noted on your driving licence? I need glasses or contacts to drive but it's not on my licence.

Regarding providing the DVLA with proof of buying glasses/lenses, there would have to be some sort of tolerance. I had my eyes tested last week and my prescription has changed but only slightly. I'm not wasting money on new glasses when mine are perfectly fine but my prescription would show a change.

The DVLA would also have to start being fit for purpose if any of this is to be brought in and I can't see that ever happening!

Sirzy · 04/07/2023 19:28

An eye test at Specsavers is £20-£25 if you have to pay for them. Glasses are from £15 if needed.

hardly a rediculous cost and certainly not an excuse not to maintain safe driving vision.

speluncean · 04/07/2023 19:29

Sirzy · 04/07/2023 19:28

An eye test at Specsavers is £20-£25 if you have to pay for them. Glasses are from £15 if needed.

hardly a rediculous cost and certainly not an excuse not to maintain safe driving vision.

I wish I could get glasses for £15 !

Sirzy · 04/07/2023 19:29

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 04/07/2023 19:27

How come it's noted on your driving licence? I need glasses or contacts to drive but it's not on my licence.

Regarding providing the DVLA with proof of buying glasses/lenses, there would have to be some sort of tolerance. I had my eyes tested last week and my prescription has changed but only slightly. I'm not wasting money on new glasses when mine are perfectly fine but my prescription would show a change.

The DVLA would also have to start being fit for purpose if any of this is to be brought in and I can't see that ever happening!

No idea. I assume it is because I wore glasses at the time of getting my initial license, I didn’t realise until DS pointed it out to me once when looking!

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 19:29

It's more likely that younger people don't have eye tests than older people as the test is free but not the glasses over 60

FrippEnos · 04/07/2023 19:31

Sirzy · 04/07/2023 19:28

An eye test at Specsavers is £20-£25 if you have to pay for them. Glasses are from £15 if needed.

hardly a rediculous cost and certainly not an excuse not to maintain safe driving vision.

I suppose that "from" is the proviso.
Times by 10 and add £50 for a useable pair for me.

Rainbowsandrainclouds1 · 04/07/2023 19:31

I think its a great idea in principal however in practice the DVLA is a long way from having capacity to administrate this.

I was medically revoked for 6 months due to brain surgery. But in effect was unable to drive for nearer a year becuase the DVLA took so long to get me booked in and processed for the tests to prove fitness to drive.

They also only let you use a few high street opticians they have contracts with as 'no others know the standard'.

I think the a better use of limited resources would be a full retest at 75 to ensure reactions and sight are still in tact.

JanesBlond · 04/07/2023 19:33

EmeraldFox · 04/07/2023 19:17

Do you mean pay for an eye test or a simple free check? With cost of living skyrocketing I don't think it's right to throw yet another expense at people.

Operating a potentially deadly hunk of machinery (ie driving) is a privilege, not a right. It’s fair to make people demonstrate that they continue to be fit to carry that privilege. It’s not free to get a licence as it is anyway.

IncomingTraffic · 04/07/2023 19:33

There are significant resource issues. The DVLA would need to provide actual services to monitor people’s eyesight, and also to re-examine everyone every decade as part of the renewals process. That is not a small undertaking.

IncomingTraffic · 04/07/2023 19:34

It’s much easier to announce ‘they should just X, Y and Z’ than it is to make it actually happen - and at a cost people are willing to pay.

DismantleThePatriarchy · 04/07/2023 19:39

The minimum is a pretty low bar however- it’s only the first 2-3 lines of the eye chart.

Is that true?

I thought you had to be able to read a licence plate from 60 feet away?

FrippEnos · 04/07/2023 19:42

IncomingTraffic · 04/07/2023 19:34

It’s much easier to announce ‘they should just X, Y and Z’ than it is to make it actually happen - and at a cost people are willing to pay.

The OP also ignores that most opticians are self employed, so they are not going to do this for free.
And that this would cause a massive shortage of opticians.

cushioncovers · 04/07/2023 19:43

Most older generation vote Tory so they aren't going to introduce a law where over 70s have to take an eyesight or competency test.

IncomingTraffic · 04/07/2023 19:53

FrippEnos · 04/07/2023 19:42

The OP also ignores that most opticians are self employed, so they are not going to do this for free.
And that this would cause a massive shortage of opticians.

It would involve so much work and cost so much to make happen. Firstly your need legislation - so that’ll be quick. 😆 Then you need to actually design and develop complex, multi-provider services to ensure that the right kinds of testing are done and the results communicated where and how you want them. And these services will need to integrate with existing services. And then, once you’ve navigated your way through that… you need to operate those services.

Without significant evidence that licensing that requires people to have biannual eye tests would actually solve a significant problem (the problem itself still being very poorly defined, as people have rushed to solutions), it’ll never happen. Is there a significant problem with drivers of all ages having car accidents because they haven’t had an eye test in the last two years in the UK? Even if there is that exact problem (not a different one, like people not wearing their glasses), would the proposed solution make any difference?

LoisPrice · 04/07/2023 20:12

FrippEnos. Why should it be for free? If you want to drive then get tested to show you have the sight to drive. If people are dying due to this issue surely it’s worth while being more stringent, both for other road users and other drivers

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ASundayWellSpent · 04/07/2023 20:14

In Spain they do, both to get and renew license. Eye check, reactions check and some fine and gross motor tests.

LoisPrice · 04/07/2023 20:18

Is there a significant problem with drivers of all ages having car accidents because they haven’t had an eye test in the last two years in the UK?

3000 injured per year due to failed eyesight

OP posts:
EmeraldFox · 04/07/2023 20:22

Sirzy · 04/07/2023 19:24

If you can afford to drive you can afford to have an eye test every two years! It should be no different than any driving safety measure like keeping your car maintained

Why do you think if you can afford A+B+C then you can afford D as well? Many people would be struggling to pay for what is currently required.

PriOn1 · 04/07/2023 20:23

HollaHolla · 04/07/2023 19:25

I recognise that this would be an additional expense/administrative burden, but a car is a deadly weapon in the wrong hands - and I'm fed up hearing things like 'my wife is a terrible driver, so I bought her an SUV, to keep her safe'. NO this is NOT a good idea.

The man saying it is statistically more likely to cause an accident, probably.

I don’t necessarily disagree about regular eye tests, but given the statistics, it seems that young men between 17 and 21 perhaps shouldn’t be allowed to drive. Lots of anecdotal evidence on this thread, but there are also lots of old, competent drivers. I’m not convinced making old drivers resit tests is fair if other groups get a pass.

LoisPrice · 04/07/2023 20:24

Why do you think if you can afford A+B+C then you can afford D as well? Many people would be struggling to pay for what is currently required.

how much is life worth, if it prevents 3000 crashes each year then surely it’s a moral obligation

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OhmygodDont · 04/07/2023 20:27

I agree £25 for an eye test is hardly bank breaking if you can afford to run a car.

Eye and reaction tests should be mandatory. Just like cats have to have mots to prove they are road worthy people should have “mots” to check they are car worthy.

OhmygodDont · 04/07/2023 20:28

Cars not cats 😂😂 good job I don’t drive 🙃

EmeraldFox · 04/07/2023 20:28

JanesBlond · 04/07/2023 19:33

Operating a potentially deadly hunk of machinery (ie driving) is a privilege, not a right. It’s fair to make people demonstrate that they continue to be fit to carry that privilege. It’s not free to get a licence as it is anyway.

I never said a licence was free. This would be an additional cost on top of everything else. What should people who are already struggling give up to pay for it? Where does it end, regular full medicals to make sure the person doesn't have any medical conditions they don't know about yet that may affect driving too?