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All drivers should have eye sight tests to retain their licence

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LoisPrice · 04/07/2023 18:23

and they should be every 5 years reducing to yearly when over 70 years old https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-66053510

Jim Tassell smiles with a medal around his neck after participating in a race

Concerns about older drivers rising, DVLA figures suggest

The number of people contacting the DVLA worried about someone's fitness to drive is rising.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-66053510

OP posts:
octoberfarm · 04/07/2023 21:02

maybebalancing · 04/07/2023 18:26

This is more or less what happens in the USA state I live in.

Same here. Tested every time you renew or get a new license. Makes so much sense!

HadalyEve · 04/07/2023 21:03

TheWalrusdidbeseech · 04/07/2023 18:45

then we need another form of ID, not a misuse of a driving licence!

We just need to make passports mandatory, it's easy. Or impose an ID card.

We have free voter ID cards now. NI has had them for years. All they’d have to do is expand this a bit so people could use them as ID for other reasons.
https://www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificate

Apply for photo ID to vote (called a ‘Voter Authority Certificate’)

Apply for photo ID to vote (Voter Authority Certificate) in some elections and referendums in Great Britain if you do not have an accepted form of ID.

https://www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificate

TiredCatLady · 04/07/2023 21:04

There are something in the region of 50 million Full and Provisional license holders in the U.K. if renewing every 10 years then that’s approx 5 million renewals every year. So potentially 5 million extra eye tests.

There are approximately 12,000 optometrists in the U.K. so that’s just over an extra 400 tests per practitioner.

Whilst it doesn’t sound impossible, how practical it would be to do it to everyone from the off is a different matter.

I say this as someone who very much agrees that this is a problem which needs to be addressed (having reported a grandparent and had their license removed) but it would have to be phased in and probably start with a compulsory test before getting your first license, then progressively based on the most at risk groups opening a can of worms set of challenges and cries of discrimination. Which would probably tie it up in legislative hell for years.

It also doesn’t take account of people not wearing their prescribed lenses/glasses whilst driving or people whose eyesight declines very suddenly but they might be 9 years and 11 months off their next compulsory test. Making biannual tests compulsory for the whole driving population would be even less likely to go through as the capacity simply isn’t there.

There is no perfect answer unfortunately. I do think we could all benefit from having e.g. a 20 year driving check in - not having to pass a test again per se but attending a training session covering updates to the Highway Code/new traffic systems and check hazard perception. The driving test my Dad passed was a lot less involved than the one I did many years later and almost unrecognisable from what today’s test consists of, plus cars have evolved a huge amount even in the last decade.

I guess more of us need to be more honest with both our relatives and ourselves as a first port of call.

windowof · 04/07/2023 21:05

LoisPrice · 04/07/2023 18:23

and they should be every 5 years reducing to yearly when over 70 years old https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-66053510

Fully agree with you.

PrincessFiorimonde · 04/07/2023 21:08

I really think mandatory eye/other awareness tests should be carried out for drivers every so often - say, every 5 years? And more frequently for those over a certain age.

I write as someone who is over 60, and only too well aware that eyesight/other reactions can deteriorate over age. I know this is a hard thing for people to accept if they have been driving for (say) 40 or more years. And many people in their 60s, 70s or whatever ARE safe drivers - but if you are sure you're a safe driver, why not get yourself checked over just to have that confirmed? Remember that just because you were a great driver in your 20s or 30s does not mean you are still the same in your 60s, 70s or older.

Apprenticenomore · 04/07/2023 21:28

in Ireland you have to have a full eye test done to get your license…It’s common sense really!!

DdraigGoch · 04/07/2023 21:30

HollaHolla · 04/07/2023 19:22

I'd have everyone do a general competence test of driving when they have to renew their photo licence, every 10 years. Terrible driving (and poor eyesight) are not the sole issue of the over 70s.

For example, there's a young woman who lives near me who is a hazard and danger to all - drives through lights/across junctions/on pavements. Would love the Police to see her....

This. I'd mandate a full driving test every ten years. Some people just shouldn't be on the road.

Regarding the woman you mention, you could record the evidence and submit to Operation Snap.

DdraigGoch · 04/07/2023 21:46

speluncean · 04/07/2023 20:36

I get what you're saying but if that's the case how would you mitigate for people living in rural areas with no public transport?

We don't offer rural dwellers an exemption on driving lessons or driving tests do we? Why would this be any different.

BashfulClam · 04/07/2023 22:03

I agree, as someone severely short sighted I would be a danger in the road without my lenses or glasses. It might help if people stopped being in denial. My mum maintained she had 20/20 vision, she could see things in the distance really well. Aye, that’s great when I have to read medicine instructions as she can’t see anything close up! She then said ‘the optician said I had great eyesight!’ I asked ‘when was that as I’ve never known you to see an optician’ turns out it was 1976…she now has reading glasses 🙄

PrincessFiorimonde · 04/07/2023 22:07

speluncean · 04/07/2023 20:33

It'll hit those in rural areas with no public transport harder - especially those in min wage jobs like carers and shop assistants.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this post. Are you saying that people with visual impairments (or where there are other medical reasons why they are officially prevented from driving) should nonetheless be allowed be allowed to drive if they live in rural areas where there's rubbish public transport? Apologies if I've misread - but what do you mean?

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 22:08

I gave up driving at 60 when I had to wear glasses as my eyesight wasn't so good

Bucksfar86 · 04/07/2023 22:16

BashfulClam · 04/07/2023 22:03

I agree, as someone severely short sighted I would be a danger in the road without my lenses or glasses. It might help if people stopped being in denial. My mum maintained she had 20/20 vision, she could see things in the distance really well. Aye, that’s great when I have to read medicine instructions as she can’t see anything close up! She then said ‘the optician said I had great eyesight!’ I asked ‘when was that as I’ve never known you to see an optician’ turns out it was 1976…she now has reading glasses 🙄

THIS!
This is the problem we have, I work in ophthalmology and 99% of the time patients do not want to declare their actual eye diagnosis' to the dvla as they're scared to lose their independence, when in reality they are at risk of taking someone else's live by driving dangerously!
In most cases as soon as a patient is diagnosed with an ophthalmic condition they are obliged to inform the dvla and make them aware as these conditions can worsen and the dvla will then send for tests and determine if you're safe to drive or not.
For example as soon as someone is diagnosed with glaucoma they are to inform the dvla and then will have to perform visual fields tests to prove their vision is satisfactory.
A quick google of what someone with glaucoma's vision is like and what happens as it gets worse will explain why.

Unfortunately it's not just down to people's sight or eye conditions.. the amount of people who drive after having dilation drops that make your eyesight blurry and light sensitive is scary! Even after being informed they're insurance is void until the drops have worn off 6-8 hours after being instilled!
You unfortunately can't fix stupid

speluncean · 04/07/2023 22:17

Not stall @PrincessFiorimonde I was making the point that expecting people on v low wages /rural people to pay for it was unfair and therefore it needs a subsidy scheme.

As I explained I'm autistic and I clearly got it wrong.

FrippEnos · 04/07/2023 22:26

LoisPrice · 04/07/2023 20:12

FrippEnos. Why should it be for free? If you want to drive then get tested to show you have the sight to drive. If people are dying due to this issue surely it’s worth while being more stringent, both for other road users and other drivers

You are going to create a market in which demand exceeds supply.
Prices will go sky high.
Those of us that have had to pay to see will find ourselves further disadvantaged and being pushed out of something that is a necessity.
So whilst I can see (no pun intended) why you would want this, it will make the lives of some of us much harder.

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 22:27

People that have to wear glasses in later life should probably think twice about driving

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 22:32

I wasn’t told I couldn’t drive when I started wearing glasses. I was just told I needed glasses for driving and watching TV. They didn’t mention the dvla

speluncean · 04/07/2023 22:33

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 22:27

People that have to wear glasses in later life should probably think twice about driving

Just in later life or all people who wear glasses? What's the difference? The glasses correct the sight of the wearer.

Wildflowers2020 · 04/07/2023 22:43

EmeraldFox · 04/07/2023 20:36

People don't give a shit about the poor though. They could make the test free for those on under £25/30k, or receiving UC or something.

The sight test is already “free” every two years for people on universal credit. Certain benefits mean you are eligible for an NHS funded sight test.

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 22:48

eye tests are a horrible experience though, I can see why people don’t bother, bit like the dentist really

Lizzt2007 · 04/07/2023 22:52

HollaHolla · 04/07/2023 19:22

I'd have everyone do a general competence test of driving when they have to renew their photo licence, every 10 years. Terrible driving (and poor eyesight) are not the sole issue of the over 70s.

For example, there's a young woman who lives near me who is a hazard and danger to all - drives through lights/across junctions/on pavements. Would love the Police to see her....

I agree with this. It shouldn't cost the same as a full test, it should be the price of the license renewal but I think it would definitely make the roads safer.

FrippEnos · 04/07/2023 22:58

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 22:48

eye tests are a horrible experience though, I can see why people don’t bother, bit like the dentist really

Your clearly going to the wrong opticians if you think that there is any similarity between the two.

FrippEnos · 04/07/2023 22:58

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 22:27

People that have to wear glasses in later life should probably think twice about driving

What is your excuse for the people without glasses that are terrible drivers?

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 23:00

FrippEnos · 04/07/2023 22:58

What is your excuse for the people without glasses that are terrible drivers?

They probably need them

HadalyEve · 04/07/2023 23:01

Eye tests should start at 40 as that’s when presbyopia starts. Hearing tests should be folded in at 60. Reaction tests at 70.

But we don’t have the money for that so the ideal regime for the most safe drivers is pie in the sky thinking.

Too the costs to implement this might be better spent elsewhere as it would save more lives there.

HadalyEve · 04/07/2023 23:03

User13630934 · 04/07/2023 22:27

People that have to wear glasses in later life should probably think twice about driving

I’ve had glasses since I was 8. Glasses (or contacts) correct vision so that you can see perfectly well. There is no reason to not drive if you wear glasses or fly a plane if you’re a pilot for that matter.

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