Permanently banned for ‘promoting hate’

[RumAndReisling]

Following ten years uneventful membership of a major social media site I have been permanently banned for ‘promoting hate’.

Never again will I be able to participate on that site.

My crime? Saying that if you had given birth to a child, there was no way you could literally change sex and produce semen to father one.

Is this not a statement of fact, or is this now unacceptable to say?

AIBU to say that my husband isn’t able to give birth?

Ok, to save time - which word in that list were you not sure what i meant by - happy to define it/ them. If you could do likewise I'd appreciate it.
Please don't be dishonest though. If you understood what i was saying then there is no issue, is there?

I didn't think the rest warranted a response but if you want a specific response to a specific point I would be happy to reply. Please tell me which points?

I will respond to you saying you didn't define a man really. I think you need to. You're supporting a change to social policy and law including those which protect women. I think a man is an adult human male. That means your friend isn't a man. If you disagree I think you need to define man in a way whoch includes your friend as a starting point

I will apologise for suggesting you're not a genuine poster. I think you are now engaging so actually probably are. I think perhaps you're just someone who has not thought things through.

Knowledge still has set definitions, which are the ones i mean when i use the word, depending on context (i don't mean carnal knowledge in this instance, for example).

I am

If you disagree I think you need to define man in a way whoch includes your friend as a starting point

If men and women have no definitions then what is transition? What are people transitioning from and to?

Oops! I'm interested to know if flaff generally thinks a trans person is someone who wants to be the opposite sex. Most of us did before the self-id push and insistence on gender identity.

I know this will seem like a pile on and i hope you can not take it as that. It's a lot of posts to essentially try and understand what people mean. Got to go now but all meant in the spirit of debate and hopefully prompt some thinking points at least. The concept of passing is problematic to some trans people due to suggesting that men are male and women are female.

I don't see this as a pile on. What's happened is that people asked me to define words, and I said I can't/won't define words, and everyone said I have to give definitions for words otherwise I don't know what I mean, so I told someone to define a bunch of words and now everybody has gone mental. It's just funny and I'm leaving it now.

But this is how conversation works. We can only talk and understand what people mean because of universally understood meanings.of words

If your definition of rice transpires to be Catfood amd mine is yogurt then the two of us talking about a recipe for risotto is going to lead to nothing but confusion

If you have a different concept of a word then we simply can't have a discussion because it only works if we are working on the same definitions.

Hence why we asked you to define man

I'm.working on adult human male. For your points to make sense if you have an alternative definition then that needs to be communicated in a way we can all understand or nothing is going to male sense

Yes, what I can conclude is that when someone says eg 'a man is doing xyz' i can only assume it's a human doing it - we have lost granularity because people mean totally different things by the same word and we have no way of knowing what.

In most things in life, sex or gender is irrelevant. However, where they are important, they are pretty important - including to trans people - so it's a shame we have to basically lose the words to meaninglessness.
If someone said they only date men, for example, they have lost the potential ability to gain protection under equality laws for being gay, because we no longer can say what being gay is (Stonewall say only being attracted to one sex is like racism).

If there’s no clear definition of man or woman, then trans people no longer exist.

I'm really sorry I missed the 'passing' part of the conversation, because I missed the opportunity to post this relevant photo.

But if you can't define words, then everything else you say is irrelevant because we don't even know whether you're talking about the same thing. So 'man' might refer to a fish and your friend may feel like a fish and live in a pond. Who knows? Certainly your ideas have no relevance to any social policy unless you can firm up what they actually relate to.

What's absolutely not funny is the social harm which is being done by people like you who refuse to offer even any basic definition of their terms. Children are being sterilised, women's sports are obliterated, women are unsafe in healthcare setting and being locked in prisons with men. All in the name of 'TWAW but we won't define what woman mean'. It's shameful and disgusting.

"Defining" needn't mean 'type out the dictionary definition'. Here I just mean I want to know what you, i.e. the person saying it, means by it.

There is the famous mantra 'trans women are women' and the people saying it can't define 'trans' or 'women'. And the 'are' is frankly a bit shaky too.