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To think 'think 25' is getting silly

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ChopSuey2 · 03/07/2023 01:43

I'm in my 30s. I might look late 20s on a good day but there is no chance I look early 20s. It seems like 'think 25' has now become 'is there any chance they could be 25?' when the whole point is making sure under 18s (or 16s, depending on the product) aren't being sold things illegally. You might think someone could be 25 but very clearly not under 18. If that's the case, why do they have to ID?

I usually carry ID so it's not a big issue but it seems ridiculous I get IDed more in my mid 30s than I did at 15!

AIBU to thinks shops should trust their workers to have some common sense and only ID people who there is actually a chance could be under 18 (people who genuinely look under 25).

OP posts:
DivaDroid · 03/07/2023 09:29

www.staffordshire.gov.uk/Business/Tradingstandards/Community-intervention/Documents/Guess-the-Age-Booklet.pdf

Give this wee game a go - see how well you do...
There's no need to guess the actual age, just if they should be asked for ID using Think 25
I've 25 years of retail/hospitality experience & a couple caught me out.
Now imagine they were the test purchasers...one of the possibilities of failing the Think 25 is job loss, large fine, criminal record if they're underage...

gamerchick · 03/07/2023 09:32

I'm 48 and got id in Morrisons for energy drinks. It was the funniest thing I ever saw when she put my dob into the machine. She apologised, I said I could kiss her because she made my day Grin

bonzaitree · 03/07/2023 09:32

I am DOUBLE the age you need to be to buy alcohol.

Double.

STILL get asked for ID.

My love. I was born in 1987. Do you understand how long ago that was? The Berlin Wall was still up. Margaret Thatcher was prime minister! Come on!

Mariposista · 03/07/2023 09:33

Laurdo · 03/07/2023 09:27

I went to one of those trampoline parks with 2 friends, a male and female, both younger than me. Everyone had to fill in a form on an iPad at the reception. I went to grab an iPad and the woman said "you don't need to fill one in, one of the adults can just register you under theirs". I was about 32 at the time.

hahahahahahah that is crazy - the funniest thing is my jacuzzi friend is a Detective Inspector - she didn't mention that - didn't want to scare the poor boy away from his Saturday job hahaha

Mercurial123 · 03/07/2023 09:38

I read somewhere young bored employees ask for ID to make their job more interesting. An example to see the reaction from the 40 year old to see if they really believe they appear to be so young.

Sidking · 03/07/2023 09:40

I must look old, I never get asked for ID now 😞 (32)

Did have to point out to some numpties in a petrol station that because he had shouted down the queue, at full volume to his gf who had just been asked for ID and didn't have any, for her to give him her money and he'd get the fags for her, that the assistant now couldn't serve him anything age restricted either, and if he had just kept his mouth shut and arranged this privately it wouldn't have been an issue. They didn't get it, tried to explain she could literally loose her job or be fined they still made a huge fuss and kicked off at her 🙄

Laurdo · 03/07/2023 09:40

gamerchick · 03/07/2023 09:32

I'm 48 and got id in Morrisons for energy drinks. It was the funniest thing I ever saw when she put my dob into the machine. She apologised, I said I could kiss her because she made my day Grin

Surely all they need to do now is look at the year, if you're born in 19 something you're at least 23.

Inthesamesinkingboat · 03/07/2023 09:41

I was in Waitrose buying a bottle of wine and the bloke on the till asked for my ID, I’m mid late 30s and look it. He took a long time checking my ID (drivers license) and then make a comment about my address. It made me feel really uncomfortable and intimidated. I now just leave it if I am ID’d and say I don’t have any on me.

Laurdo · 03/07/2023 09:43

Mariposista · 03/07/2023 09:33

hahahahahahah that is crazy - the funniest thing is my jacuzzi friend is a Detective Inspector - she didn't mention that - didn't want to scare the poor boy away from his Saturday job hahaha

Hahahaha! My ex was 8 years older than me and was mistaken for my dad a few times.

Flopsythebunny · 03/07/2023 09:54

Svalberg · 03/07/2023 07:54

In which case you need a national ID card, as not everyone has a driving license or passport

Which is now needed to vote anyway

thebellagio · 03/07/2023 09:55

The prob is it's not that easy to just say "take some ID with you"

I won't carry my passport around (obv reasons) and if you don't drive, then what ID is there?

Also, as more shops take Apple Pay, often, I dont take my wallet out with me anymore because I pay via my phone/

thebellagio · 03/07/2023 09:55

I seem to recall at one point Debenhams had a challenge 30 in operation - when you've been legally allowed to drink for 12 years, that was just ridiculous

Mariposista · 03/07/2023 10:02

Laurdo · 03/07/2023 09:43

Hahahaha! My ex was 8 years older than me and was mistaken for my dad a few times.

That is weird - and for you probably ever so slightly gross hahaha

User13630934 · 03/07/2023 10:06

I'm 65 and it's harder to tell the older you get as it's further away from your own age. I did have to show my ID to the Amazon man for kitchen knives but I don't think it was because he thought I was 25 but because computer said 'must see ID with date of birth on it'

LittleMissUnreasonable · 03/07/2023 10:08

Can all these posters in their 30s/40s/50s passing as 17 year olds PLEASE tell me your secrets 😁. I'm 35 and firmly look 35

Maverickess · 03/07/2023 10:11

You might think someone could be 25 but very clearly not under 18. If that's the case, why do they have to ID?

Because in order to get and keep a licence to sell alcohol, you have to meet certain mandatory conditions and one of those is you must have a challenge policy in place. Challenge 21 and more so challenge 25 are considered best practice. If someone looks under 25, then by the conditions of the licence you should ID them or you've broken the condition. And it doesn't matter if they are over 18, the policy is to ID if you look under 25, not if you look under 18.

You do not have to potentially or actually break the law to break or potentially break a licence condition, and breaking licence conditions can lead to sanctions on said licence such as certain people not allowed to serve alcohol (that's someone lost their job then) a fine for the licence holder, restrictions on when alcohol can be sold, being told that a more robust policy needs to be put in place (so you've got challenge 21 and can't prove you adhere to it, so licencing come along, slap your wrists and say you must put a better one in place and prove you're using it, by recording IDing people), or ultimately losing the licence - no licence means no booze for anyone and a significant loss of revenue. You need to show you're a responsible retailer or you lose the ability to sell it in the first place.

So retailers and staff will protect the licence. Licencing teams and the police are the ones who control this, and they are not in the slightest bit interested in customer service or making customers lives easier, because their job is to oversee the sales of restricted items to the general public through licenced premises. They are not interested in "She looked 20 so I didn't need to ID" if she looked 20 and your challenge policy is 25, and you didn't ID then although the law isn't broken, the licencing condition is.

Another mandatory condition is providing 'potable' water free of charge - you stand to get sanctions for not doing that too should you refuse (just another example of a mandatory condition required for a licence).

They actively test this with mystery shoppers and by inspection of premises looking at ID logs etc. If the ID log isn't used 'enough' then they can (and do ime) pull you up on it.

Most people have zero awareness of this, even those selling alcohol who aren't licence holders, they just know they are told they have to ID someone who looks under 25 if they have that policy in place.

And what are the hard and fast parameters for looking 18, 21, 25, 32, 45? There's not a checklist out there I'd bet my job and personal licence on quite honestly. It's down to the individual perception and everyone's is different. If you had to bet your driving licence on guessing someone's age, would you do it? If getting it wrong meant you lost that licence and your job relies upon that licence?

User13630934 · 03/07/2023 10:11

I remember when I went out with some people from work who were in their 30s, I was in my late 40s then and the woman behind the bar asked for everyone's ID, got to me and said, I don't need to see yours.

MySoCalledWife · 03/07/2023 10:15

I think they got stricter

I got ID'd for the first time inn15 years last week

I laughed and said: I'm in my 50s!

Don't look super young or anything, so I wondered what was going on 😁

LittleMissUnreasonable · 03/07/2023 10:16

@User13630934
I remember when I went out with some people from work who were in their 30s, I was in my late 40s then and the woman behind the bar asked for everyone's ID, got to me and said, I don't need to see yours.

I get this as well. I almost wish they just ask you for ID as well so you weren't the one stood feeling ancient

ChopSuey2 · 03/07/2023 10:18

I used to work in a pub so do know how uncomfortable it can be asking people for ID.

I think the stupidest thing I've seen was when my sister was refused alcohol free wine when she was with her child. She definitely didn't look under 18 but you don't even need to be 18 to buy it!

OP posts:
Hadalifeonce · 03/07/2023 10:20

DD came shopping with me a few weeks ago, I loaded up the conveyor belt, very strict about order of goods! As I was packing the lady on checkout asked DD for id (she's 20). I queried why she was asking DD for id, as it was clearly my shopping, and I was obviously going to pay for it, credit card out already. She pointed out it was because I was buying wine. DD saw me beginning to seeth, and told me not to worry and produced her driving licence; I was ready to walk out and leave the shopping at the till.

RoseAndRose · 03/07/2023 10:24

I think they have more products flagged to check up on.

I would have been in B&Q the other day, buying garden and BBQ stuff. Which included firelighters. But they have the decent software that allows the "clearly of age" option, and staff who are happy to use it.

Laurdo · 03/07/2023 10:25

LittleMissUnreasonable · 03/07/2023 10:16

@User13630934
I remember when I went out with some people from work who were in their 30s, I was in my late 40s then and the woman behind the bar asked for everyone's ID, got to me and said, I don't need to see yours.

I get this as well. I almost wish they just ask you for ID as well so you weren't the one stood feeling ancient

My brother's friends is 36. She got IDd and didn't have any on her. She said "I'm 36". The cashier leaned forward about an inch and said "Oh, so you are". Hahaha!

Fraaahnces · 03/07/2023 10:26

My best friend and I were recently ID’d by a waiter who said he was only 17 and that he had decided to ID everyone to ensure that he doesn’t lose his job. I am almost 51 and my friend is 54. We killed ourselves laughing and he was so cute and fluffy he said that it doesn’t matter which way he guesstimates the age of ppl, especially women, they get offended and aggro and he feels like crap. If he has a blanket “ID Everyone” policy, he’s safe.

Elphame · 03/07/2023 10:31

It is ridiculous though.

I had my 60th birthday a while back so no way do I look even close to 25 let alone 18.

The cashier wanted ID for me to buy some alcohol free beer the other day. Obviously I didn't have any so they didn't get the sale.

Maybe the tills should require the DOB to be entered where ID is requested so that cashiers who make these ridiculous requests too often can get further training.

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