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Is this the mother of all calling out - Katherine Birbalsingh

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DramaFatigue · 02/07/2023 08:06

Katherine Birbalsingh has done the mother of all calling out and I can't help but sit here with my jaw on the kitchen table in awe.

She has written a 4-page open letter to Sir Kerr Starmer calling out Jess Phillip's behaviour online. Whilst I don't always agree with KB's methods of the school she runs, I do think that Jess Phillips behaviour towards her is shocking and unbefitting of someone who could be running the country. JP should resign TBH.

https://news.sky.com/story/headteacher-katharine-birbalsingh-brands-labour-mp-jess-phillips-social-media-posts-racist-and-bullying-12913139

Headteacher Katharine Birbalsingh brands Labour MP Jess Phillips' social media posts 'racist and bullying'

Katharine Birbalsingh addressed the open letter to Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer. Labour has not commented on the matter and Sky News has contacted Ms Phillips for her response.

https://news.sky.com/story/headteacher-katharine-birbalsingh-brands-labour-mp-jess-phillips-social-media-posts-racist-and-bullying-12913139

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hello4561 · 02/07/2023 10:46

NeverDropYourMooncup · 02/07/2023 10:37

Michaela doesn't have any GCSE results yet, as they only have years 7-9.

It'll be interesting in two years' time to see what the Progress 8 scores are and whether turnover increases once there's an actual measure beyond children wearing badges to show they haven't been disabled, sick or bereaved through the school year.

They have several years worth of GCSE results. The 2022 ones made them number 1 in the country on progress 8.

Gizzey · 02/07/2023 10:46

PathetIc behaviour from Jess Phillips. When are MPs going to stop wasting time and taxpayers money arsing about on social media and do their actual jobs?

However, that letter from Katherine Birbalsingh is a complete reach and a see-through attempt at garnering publicity for her. It’s all about Katherine with Katherine. Since her mates Truss and Kwarteng had their mighty fall from Grace and power, she doesn’t have the clear cut path into politics she thought she had. Desperate measures.

Puffalicious · 02/07/2023 10:47

User98866 · 02/07/2023 09:31

KB clearly made a massive error tweeting that picture and is trying hard to deflect because she is clearly a bit of a narcissist who can’t admit she’s ever wrong/makes mistakes. Accusing JP of racism is ridiculous. There’s no evidence for that. Although JP probably shouldn’t have got involved beyond the original calling out tweet, as it looks a bit petty.

It seems like this to me. Poor behaviour on both sides, point scoring, courting controversy etc, but racism? It was about DV, nothing to do with race. The idea that you can call racism purely because you have black heritage, or that you inherently understand all DV because of historic rape of a culture is ridiculous. The letter seems unhinged in parts.

cakeorwine · 02/07/2023 10:48

NeverDropYourMooncup · 02/07/2023 10:37

Michaela doesn't have any GCSE results yet, as they only have years 7-9.

It'll be interesting in two years' time to see what the Progress 8 scores are and whether turnover increases once there's an actual measure beyond children wearing badges to show they haven't been disabled, sick or bereaved through the school year.

That's not true.

Secondary - Michaela Community School - Find school and college performance data in England - GOV.UK (find-school-performance-data.service.gov.uk)

Secondary - Michaela Community School - Find school and college performance data in England - GOV.UK

You can find schools and colleges in your area. You can also view exam and test results, financial details and Ofsted reports.

https://www.find-school-performance-data.service.gov.uk/school/140862/michaela-community-school/secondary

Yea2023 · 02/07/2023 10:49

@Nanny0gg I’m sorry to hear that your DC sch is substandard, I am reading about state of UK (English?) schools and it’s terrifying.

However, having a HT who dissuades students from speaking up about possible abuse (racial), shares platforms with questionable views and a governor who disagrees with gay marriage among other issues isn’t the way forward.

In general, is there anything we can do about poor sch’s? Bar not vote for a party who is known for underfunding them?

My DC is about to start sch and I’be already applied to be a governor.
What else can be done?

Bromptotoo · 02/07/2023 10:50

What, exactly, apart from calling out a picture of the late Tina Turner with abusive husband Ike, did Jess Phillips herself say?

AIUI KB is a bit of a controversialist herself on Twitter etc. It's no surprise if others start throwing stuff around if there's even a hint of a spat with another well known poster.

JP cannot be held responsible for the tweets of others however inaccurate and upsetting they may be.

I find KB's letter difficult to follow and, in the first few paragraphs far too 'me, me and MY school' to read like a properly written complaint which would focus on the facts.

I can't see her complaint going anywhere unless there's far more to this than meets the eye

AgathaSpencerGregson · 02/07/2023 10:50

Puffalicious · 02/07/2023 10:47

It seems like this to me. Poor behaviour on both sides, point scoring, courting controversy etc, but racism? It was about DV, nothing to do with race. The idea that you can call racism purely because you have black heritage, or that you inherently understand all DV because of historic rape of a culture is ridiculous. The letter seems unhinged in parts.

I suspect she’s weaponising the sort of crap that appeals to the north-London brained. A low tactic perhaps but given the left wing orthodoxy is that POC experience must be taken at face value it will be telling how starmer responds.

BeverlyHa · 02/07/2023 10:51

bellac11 · Today 08:10
If Im honest I cant really get worked up about grown adults having a social media spat

Why do people do this, just stay off it.

stay off all social media at all with your real name and pictures. The right people who want you in real life can always message you on many various platforms and will know what you had for breakfast anyway, if this is what they want to know, even without you posting it on fb - a bit like mumsnet. Until they try to turn it to mumsgate

Rosietheravisher · 02/07/2023 10:51

bellac11 · 02/07/2023 08:10

If Im honest I cant really get worked up about grown adults having a social media spat

Why do people do this, just stay off it.

I agree. You'd think high profile personalities would have cottoned on to this by now.

lifeissweet · 02/07/2023 10:55

itsgettingweird · 02/07/2023 08:59

I actually agree with JP about safeguarding at the school.

They control the kids through fear. They cannot make mistakes with punishment are are taught to accept this. It actually can lead to people thinking DV is acceptable because they think all opinions and actions they don't like are punishable.

KP school doesn't allow for pupils to grow up with an opinion, to make mistakes or even take part in sport outside of school as they are so strict with hours and detentions.

I know some like the ethos and if you think growing yes men (and woman) who will work for a boss without questioning the status quo then you'll like it. You'll aspire to send your kids into this environment. If you think KP is right that her school is the only way your child will keep out of a gang you'll aspire to send your kid there.

I disagree with the culture and I fear for the future of ex pupils as they don't learn to socialise or communicate effectively - they just learn to say "yes Miss and no miss (or sir)" and do as they are told.

This is my feeling too.

I think the way children thank their teachers for their punishments is sinister. 'Thank you for correcting my behaviour and making me a better person'

Take that into a real world relationship and it's a horrible model for coercive control.

I daresay that is why JP has such an aversion to KB and all she stands for.

I also think KB should draw back on the racism accusations. I really don't think that's JP's motivation and 'it's racism because it's always racism and everyone is unconsciously racist' is a fast way to alienate people.

Rosietheravisher · 02/07/2023 10:56

I think there's something not quite okay about a headteacher getting into spats like this. Or publicising their attendance at high profile right wing events

If I was a HT I wouldn't want anyone to even know my politics because I would assume that my catchment area would be comprised of students and parents of all colours (politically speaking and otherwise). I would steer clear of all controversy. I wouldn't want to be seen as a "celebrity", which she kind of is; my main priority would be my school, students and staff.

Nanny0gg · 02/07/2023 10:56

Yea2023 · 02/07/2023 10:49

@Nanny0gg I’m sorry to hear that your DC sch is substandard, I am reading about state of UK (English?) schools and it’s terrifying.

However, having a HT who dissuades students from speaking up about possible abuse (racial), shares platforms with questionable views and a governor who disagrees with gay marriage among other issues isn’t the way forward.

In general, is there anything we can do about poor sch’s? Bar not vote for a party who is known for underfunding them?

My DC is about to start sch and I’be already applied to be a governor.
What else can be done?

I've just looked at their Governors.
Calvin whatisname isn't one listed thankfully. He has no place anywhere near any school
All the others seem pretty high-flying with lots of expertise

Where is the info that she dissuades students speaking up?

itsgettingweird · 02/07/2023 10:57

flurbubbly · 02/07/2023 10:15

I've never read or seen anything about Katherine Birbalsingh that doesn't make her sound completely and utterly unhinged, and deeply stupid. She's obviously worrying credulous and believes everything she reads online and everything anyone tells her, and throwing tantrums like a toddler every time she faces even the mildest criticism or different opinion from her is very worrying.

I don't believe she should be around children.

Best description of my opinion of KB ive ever seen!

ToBeOrNotToBee · 02/07/2023 10:59

They're both as odious as eachother IMO

SunnyEgg · 02/07/2023 11:00

Rosietheravisher · 02/07/2023 10:56

I think there's something not quite okay about a headteacher getting into spats like this. Or publicising their attendance at high profile right wing events

If I was a HT I wouldn't want anyone to even know my politics because I would assume that my catchment area would be comprised of students and parents of all colours (politically speaking and otherwise). I would steer clear of all controversy. I wouldn't want to be seen as a "celebrity", which she kind of is; my main priority would be my school, students and staff.

I think there's something not quite okay about a headteacher getting into spats like this.

Nor a politician that instigates it

IamnotHWhittier · 02/07/2023 11:01

Onegroupcard · 02/07/2023 10:33

That doesn't exactly mean much.

When my son was at nursery they were denied an outstanding rating because the children weren't given enough opportunities to do maths, or something equally random. What they did have was absolutely minimal staff turnover, with lovely kind people who treated the little ones like their own kids, cuddled them when they cried and were generally just wonderful. By contrast, I thought the nursery down the road -which did achieve outstanding - was an awful, clinical environment. I witnessed, when visiting, crying children - tiny children, some not even two years old - left to their own devices and put in the corner as punishment.

I don't think ofsted reports are worth the paper they're written on, frankly.

Absolutely.
Ofsted grading is worthless.
Relatives sent theirs to an apparent outstanding school only to find out there are hardly any qualified permanent teachers. So RE teachers teaching gcse maths etc. For the past few years. It’s not a problem school at all but it’s only the top sets that get the qualified teachers everyone else gets supply teachers or sports coaches to teach gcse subjects from a book or you tube.

There’s absolutely no follow through of whether a child is learning anything and now they are looking at year 10 kid with year 7 ability.

Shame grading based on box ticking.
Running a school like that is like learning by rote,

itsgettingweird · 02/07/2023 11:01

Nanny I don't think ofsted results are really something to aspire to work out a school on. For a start it's all about ticking the right boxes.

And those right boxes coming from from a government that has driven education funding to the ground.

They are not checking what schools provide education wise.

They are checking that teachers are being educators, social workers Salts and psychologists on a minimal budget.

They want schools like KBs because they produce yes men willing to jump when told, not challenging authority and thinking pun Cush meant for any minor indiscretion is normal.

Yea2023 · 02/07/2023 11:01

@Nanny0gg He was a governor and trustee

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Robinson

someone posted her tweets above, re not believe children if they accuse a teacher of racism (not saying that a child should be blindly believed, but the public tweet clearly states her position).

Calvin Robinson - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Robinson

cakeorwine · 02/07/2023 11:07

Nanny0gg · 02/07/2023 10:56

I've just looked at their Governors.
Calvin whatisname isn't one listed thankfully. He has no place anywhere near any school
All the others seem pretty high-flying with lots of expertise

Where is the info that she dissuades students speaking up?

This is what she said about who to back if a child says a teacher is being racist

Is this the mother of all calling out - Katherine Birbalsingh
HermioneWeasley · 02/07/2023 11:08

I’m struggling to put into words how angry some of the comments are making me. Just because this school isn’t a perfect fit for all kids doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t exist to benefit the many many capable children who need boundaries, discipline and high expectations. These exist in the form of grammar schools in white affluent suburbs, but apparently all poor kids and black and brown kids must be sacrificed for the greater good.

lifeissweet · 02/07/2023 11:09

HermioneWeasley · 02/07/2023 11:08

I’m struggling to put into words how angry some of the comments are making me. Just because this school isn’t a perfect fit for all kids doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t exist to benefit the many many capable children who need boundaries, discipline and high expectations. These exist in the form of grammar schools in white affluent suburbs, but apparently all poor kids and black and brown kids must be sacrificed for the greater good.

Who has said this?!

Gwenhwyfar · 02/07/2023 11:11

I think it's disgusting to accuse someone of racism for no good reason (at least no good reason was given in the Sky article quotes).

NeverDropYourMooncup · 02/07/2023 11:17

arlequin · 02/07/2023 10:45

I apologise. I missed the date on the Ofsted report (it's 2017).

There isn't another one on the website yet - so that's what it was like five years ago. A lot has happened since then in society.

itsgettingweird · 02/07/2023 11:17

Where is the info that she dissuades students speaking up?

She says it herself. Watch her documentaries on the school. She encourages compliance and acceptance of punishment. She encourages her pupils to thank teachers for detentions!

Also read her SM. She has said things in the past like if a child calls the race card always back the teacher.

So quite ironic she then plays the race card when called out for celebrating a domestic abuser.

itsgettingweird · 02/07/2023 11:20

HermioneWeasley · 02/07/2023 11:08

I’m struggling to put into words how angry some of the comments are making me. Just because this school isn’t a perfect fit for all kids doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t exist to benefit the many many capable children who need boundaries, discipline and high expectations. These exist in the form of grammar schools in white affluent suburbs, but apparently all poor kids and black and brown kids must be sacrificed for the greater good.

Who has said this?

And I've not seen any grammar school in any area publicising running their school the same way KB runs Micheala.

It's not the aspiring for a good education that people have the problem with. It's the running a school with no movement for children to grow as learners and as people and discover who they are. There's no room for error. There's no belief of the pupils and the teachers are always right.