Rwanda ruling

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Suella Braverman says today's Supreme Court ruling against the UK government's plan to send immigrants to Rwanda is a disappointment for most people.

Not for me it isn't.

AIBU? Am I in the minority?

Ironic really, when you got a fundamental fact wrong in your original post.

Yeah, it is a lovely country. If you are white and a tourist with money. Living there is an interesting alternative, because it's "peace" and "stability" come at a price...

"Significant human rights issues included credible reports of: unlawful or arbitrary killings; torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment by the government; harsh and life-threatening prison conditions; arbitrary detention; political prisoners or detainees; transnational repression against individuals located outside the country, including killings, kidnappings, and violence; arbitrary or unlawful interference with privacy; serious restrictions on free expression and media, including threats of violence against journalists, unjustified arrests or prosecutions of journalists, and censorship; serious restrictions on internet freedom; substantial interference with the freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom of association, including overly restrictive laws on the organization, funding, or operation of nongovernmental and civil society organizations; serious and unreasonable restrictions on political participation; and serious government restrictions on or harassment of domestic and international human rights organizations.
The government took some steps to prosecute or punish officials reported to have committed human rights abuses and acts of corruption, including within the security services, but impunity involving civilian officials and some members of the state security forces was a problem." US Department of State, https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/rwanda/

Or https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/14/rwanda-human-rights-fears-paul-kagame

How about this one - from the British government! https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rwanda-country-policy-and-information-notes/country-policy-and-information-note-rwanda-general-human-rights-may-2022-accessible

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2022/country-chapters/rwanda

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Rwanda

The good news is that so far, there is no actual evidence of any new human rights violations in Rwanda last month. Yet.

England is a lovely country, and everyone (mostly) I have met are great. It doesn't mean that I have an inclination to support the government, its policies or its record on dubious polices, lying to the public, and corruption.

But then I was in Rwanda in 1995, when it wasn't a "lovely country" and the people were trying to kill each other based on their ethnic differences.

Tyranny and the suppression of fundamental freedoms often lead to stability and peace. But if the price is living in fear of your life, then they come at too high a price.

I struggle with the whole concept to be honest.

I don't necessarily agree with shipping people off to Rwanda, but I DO think something needs to change to discourage people from making illegal crossings, and instead coming through the proper channels.

There must be a reason so many people want to make it to the UK, why is this? Perhaps we need to make it less attractive.

The problem is all the time people are crossing illegally in their thousands, we have no record of them or who they are (some of them destroy their paperwork apparently)

I do believe we're not doing enough to help GENUINE asylum seekers, however economic migrants are different and why shouldn't we be able to restrict who can live here according to the skills we need I.e. Australia

No need, it’s been removed by mnhq 😀

there is an amazing hotel called "Gorilla's Nest" in the Rwandan highlands. they take the guests on treks in the mountains to meet Gorillas and apparently can sometimes see them from the hotel. if suella wanted to bankroll me to live in that hotel (2000 USD per night so totally out of my price range), I will get on a plane right now. then they can at least say they sent one immigrant to Rwanda?

on a serious note, Stella the cruella has been giving the contracts in Rwanda to her chums and I would be interested to know how much she has profited herself.

I'm not disappointed by today's ruling; quite the opposite.

I'm braced for the revolting DM headlines branding the judges 'Enemies of the People'. Remember that?

the NHS doesn't need the money! we have been getting the 7million per week since brexit obv

I don't necessarily agree with shipping people off to Rwanda, but I DO think something needs to change to discourage people from making illegal crossings, and instead coming through the proper channels.

There are no proper channels! You cannot claim UK asylum from outside the UK.

I'm really pleased about this ruling but we're not out of the woods yet. The government is appealing to the supreme court.

Tory MPs do nothing without it benefiting themselves or their mates.
Braverman must be getting something out of this.
Well, she’s not now is she? Makes it even better

this - I am pleased with the ruling - it's so cruel to refuse to accept that the issue is with not processing people quickly enough due to government cuts coupled with a refusal to process people safely outside of the uk/set up systems to do so - these are human beings we are talking about

I work with UASC and we have young people turning 18 who have been waiting 5+ years for a Home Office decision - including those wanting to go to Uni - with no idea of their status - the added stress this causes to already traumatised children is disgraceful

A stupid, evil, publicity stunt policy from a party that is so bereft of credibility, competence and ideas that it’s resorting to the obsessive demonization of refugees in order to win votes from the easily duped and plain old garden variety racists.

The next election can’t come soon enough.

Can we carry on paying £7 million a day / £49 mil a week / £196 mil a month to house in hotels though ?
The simple answer is no .
I have no magic answer , Rwanda is not one of them .

I do - invest the same amount into the processing system - send those with no claim back and grant those with a claim a status that allows them to work

Invest in the system to process the claims in a speedy manner, rather than allow them to go on for years.

But fixing that would mean the Torys losing a talking point.

Exactly this. I can't decide which is worse: Braverman's utter stupidity or her heartless inhumanity.

I recently saw Spitting Image at the theatre. Their portrayal of Suella was phenomenal.

@Quveas I don't need a history or politics lesson on Rwanda, thanks.

I was specifically talking about 'sending' her there.

No, of course YANBU.

Stupid people tend to shout more loudly.

The Tories don't want to stop the boats. They are happy to have them as a distraction from the damage that they are doing to our country.

I strongly suspect that the wanted this policy to be blocked by the courts, so that they can now blame the woke lefty lawyers. It's just electioneering, something to bring out at the next GE to say, we would have done this but the bleeding hearts wouldn't let us.

The small boats, and the courts blocking their "plan", is perfect for the Tories, it allows them to whip their racist little Englander fan base up into a frenzy.

Yup.

She is right about it being a disappointment for most people. The last GE vote and Brexit vote shows this.

The public do want to stop the boats, whether Rwanda policy will ever work is another question.

The truth is that the govt has absolutely no intention of lowering immigration. That’s why they are championing a policy that will never make it past the red tape. They have put Braverman forward as mouthpiece and to make it look like they mean business. This and most western government have no inclination to lower immigration. They want higher immigration. Especially in this country, it helps with massaging the GDP figures to make it look we have economies growth as the population grows. Even though GDP per capita suffers and people get poorer in reality.

wouldn't be so sure of that. she gave the Rwanda contracts to her chums in Rwanda... I'm sure she got something out of it

Do you have even the most tenuous evidence of this?

If so, please share. Otherwise stop spouting bollocks.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/suella-braverman-rwanda-ministerial-code-breach-b2345537.html