to think they would feel differently if they had children?

[Violetbeauregardesgum]

Just reflecting that the three most vehemently pro-abortion, abortion on demand up till 40 weeks women I know are all child free. Was talking to one the other day and was taken aback by how uncompromising she was. The 32 week old baby that the woman was imprisoned for aborting was not a baby, all women have the right to end a pregnancy at any point.

I am pro choice but think the 24 week cut off is about right. AIBU to think they would feel differently if they had gone through a pregnancy to term themselves?

Which is why it’s a good job no one is demanding doctors do this.

And the baby.

And the doctor.

The doctors. 100%

That’s not a doctor’s job at all. HTH.

And an abortion is not ending a life. So HTH.

These emotive semantics really don’t work the way anti-choicers hope they will

So the people on this thread who think it should be legal to terminate a pregnancy at any time and for any reason just want women to have the theoretical right to do it, but not the actual ability to do it? Because if she can't find a doctor willing to perform the termination then she can't actually exercise her legal right, can she?

What would be the point of that?

Women seeking abortions are not the same as rapists or burglars FFS

You’re so fucking offensive comparing criminals to non-criminals.

And it does affect you actually because you could be the next victim. Or your mum could, or your child. But a woman having an abortion does not have the power to abort a baby of yours - so it doesn’t affect you.

How is it arbitrary? Do you know what that word means?

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Do you?

OK so what are people who advocate for any-stage-any-reason actually trying to force people to do?

Do you think these women are trying to force people to have abortions?

Be abuse anti-choicers are aiming to force women to have babies they don’t want. I’m trying to see the comparison here.

I'm not an "anti choicer". I'm pro choice. I believe in abortion. But like almost everyone else who believes in abortion, and the lawmakers of every country on earth where abortion is legal, I believe there should be some reasonable limits to the woman's right to have an abortion.

If that makes me an "anti choicer" then I reckon that makes over 99% of the population "anti choicers".

This extremism helps no one, least of all pregnant women.

Child abuse is not remotely like abortion, it affects many people, and I’m not going to pander to the offensiveness of that statement by explaining why.

How does someone smacking their child affect you? It's the exact same answer for late term abortion. Presumably because you think it's wrong.

Indeed they are but not in the way you think.
Tell me which doctors are being forced to abort 35 week babies?
None.
it’s a fairy story - it’s not happening.
Doctors have a perfect right to refuse to perform abortions at any stage FYI.

But it is interesting you’re happy to force women to give birth but are horrified at a doctor being called squeamish? It’s almost like it’s all about hating women rather than anything else 🧐

The law recognises a woman’s choice trumps the ‘right’ of a child to be born )to a certain stage anyway). And thank god it does

Yeah, it's not happening because it's not legal and it should stay that way.

No forcing women to have babies they don’t want and can’t care for is disgusting.

Can you tell me why you so desperately want other women’s foetuses to pass through their birth canal so much?

As with the BPAS report in regards to women at 22 weeks gestation being unable to get appts....isn't this article highlighting poor service provision? If these services moved more quickly, would there be these issues?

if a baby can survive outside of the womb then you probably shouldn’t be allowed to kill it without very good reason, such as the mothers life/health being at risk or the foetus being incomparable with life. Up until that point I believe it’s completely a woman’s right to choose, but past that I’m not sure we should be able to.

I do understand the view point of it always being a woman’s right to choose what she does with her body. But aborting a viable baby is kind of like allowing a prem but viable baby to be born and then killing it. It doesn’t sit right with me. There comes a point when adoption is the better option for unwanted pregnancies. It’s probably better for the woman’s mental health in the long term than very late term abortion, which has got to be such a traumatic experience. I can’t believe it’s a good solution for anyone.

This is all hypothetical speak though.

I could say “Isn’t it awful some people want police officers to perform sex acts on prisoners against their will” - it it would just be absolute irrelevant drivel that will literally never happen and getting wound up about it would just be plain odd

If she hasn't had an abortion within the current extremely generous 24 week limit then I think that is tough shit, unfortunately.

A doctor performing an abortion is doing a procedure that’s part of their job and they’re no more affected than if they were removing an appendix.

The baby is not a living person and their rights do not trump that of the mother. The law recognises this.

With a late term abortion the foetus will still pass through the birth canal. How do you think it’s will get out? Such a traumatic experience for all involved.

😂😂😂Why are you outraged at something that isn’t even happening?!

Wow. Why is the term “forced birthers” being thrown about. If you don’t want a baby, don’t have sex, simple. To those who don’t use contraceptives, it’s their fault (both mother and father) for then becoming pregnant with an unwanted child. I’m not talking about cases such as rape, failed contraceptives, health issues in mother etc. But if you have sex with full consent, without proper contraception, it then becomes your responsibility to deal with the consequences. They made their choice there and then. Abortion for medical reasons in child or mother, is reasonable and a different matter. But simply “just because” is unfair on the unborn child. Within just several weeks of pregnancy, all the organs are already forming and a heartbeat is viable.

Absolutely this ! I am massively PRO CHOICE... but at the stage a foetus can have a chance of life outside the uterus then it's TOO LATE !!

Then it's over to adoption..

This is a completely mad thing to say.

But I can see you will not be convinced otherwise so I'm just going to walk away.

The law recognises a woman’s choice trumps the ‘right’ of a child to be born )to a certain stage anyway). And thank god it does

Yes. Agreed. Thank goodness it does. The "to a certain stage" part is the part I was referring to regarding balancing conflicting rights and responsibilities. That is why most people consider the current law a reasonable balance.