People complaining about their 'bonus'

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Reading a thread about the NHS bonus and everyone unhappy that it's not as much as they expected because of deductions

Made me think that actually people are a bit entitled. we all get taxed on bonus, we should just be grateful we've had some extra.

We experienced that too Xenia. The families in our road who continued to have lots of visitors and social gatherings were the ones (2) that belonged to medics.

Like you, we opposed lock down but followed the rules.

Some of us don’t get pay rises, or bonuses, so YANBU.

I looked at mine and my heart absolutely sank, it was half what I expected. I hoped it would enable me to have some time off during the summer months doing only my contracted hours (full time). As it is I realised I'll have to work 6 days a week throughout summer in order to pay for everything.
I'm in my sixties and I'm really too old for this shit.

The ask for 20% was because if they came in and asked for 4% they would get knocked down to 1%. Come in at 20% and hope for 6%.

And because 20% is roughly what we're down in real terms since the Tories got in.

Nurses have to pay their degrees now it weren't like that before Clegg and Cameron got together. The economy has shrunk if hey get a pay rise that money will come from the shrunken economy then prices will have to go up and interest rates to pay for it. Its a rollercoaster of shit.

I do feel for nurses and teachers the NHS is being run in to the ground. You can't get a doctors appointment and you fear for your life if you have to be admitted into hospital (not my words a family member said this) they want to be looked after at home regardless.

Those kinds of pensions haven’t been available for years - hence the people you know leaving now at 55. No such option for younger staff.

Yes the pensions whilst still decent are nothing like they used to be, even for the armed forces which historically (rightly for the shit they go through) had a very generous pension scheme.

The thing with this 'pay award' is that it is the thing that is supposed to stop strikes, improve the NHS for the public (everyone on this thread) by retaining staff and improving their pay and conditions AND make other people want to come and work in the NHS.....will it?

Will you encourage your children to work for the NHS after the pay award?
Will you now retrain yourself?
Will you expect staff to put up and shut up now?
Will you expect the service you receive from the NHS to be better now?

Basically, it's done very little to change anything.

That fine, private sector workers generally are tone deaf to the level of shortages austerity has caused within all of the public sector and that most employees are doing at least double what they should be, and that whilst yes we're funded through taxation - we also pay tax just as much as private sector workers.

It's not a race to the bottom - both sectors generally suck

The NHS pension age is linked to state retirement age, so it’s 67 and set to rise. Presumably the reason people think the pay and conditions are so amazing is because they don’t actually have a clue what they are! 55 was only ever for high stress, high risk job roles such as mental health nurses. Who have a very high suicide and injury rate but don’t worry they have to go to 67 now too

My doctor siblinbg retired last year at age 55 and I understand the pension is petty good. I will work until I die as I am a sole trader and the state pension after tax is not much once I reach 67. I am perfectly happy to work now I am in my 60s. If people don't like NHS conditions or pay they should leave.

If he's retired then he will have benefited from a lot of perks and terms and conditions as well as a better pension and pay than his colleagues who have trained since and are still working. The issue is lots are leaving the NHS, that's the entire problem. Many doctors are now going abroad too so won't even be an overly promising private healthcare provision in the not too distant future.

To reiterate, anyone who joined the NHS after 2008 will get a worse person that those that joined before then. For anyone who joined 2015 onwards it got worse again.

So all those who are retiring now age 55 are likely to benefitting from generous pre 2008 pension benefits. There are less and less NHS out there who will get those benefits in future. So all you handwringers need not worry, the rest will be working just as long as you. But many are likely to have had a much bigger physical toll than you too.

Presumably you have no need to access the NHS then and have no interest in whether healthcare in this country is available?

Many people who work in the NHS have never worked anywhere else. Most people learn in their early 20s that a bonus is taxed to high heaven and mentally do the arithmetic when the annual bonus rolls around.

So cut them some slack and remember the time when you first realised a high proportion of your bonus would be going to the taxman … to pay for the NHS etc!

Well we didn't get 20% did we.... Of course we expect to pay taxes, I've also lost over £400 of my "bonus" on the student loans I needed to get my healthcare job this month. P s. If you wanna strike join a union 😉

And the problem is they ARE leaving and so there is an enormous, critical, shortage of staff!!

It was an insult, and also messes up Universal credits if you claim those too, a friend of mine (single mum) now has to find 600 quid rent as it took her over the threshold, so essentially she got no bonus at all - just like the covid "bonus" we got.

They are leaving.

my profession with in our trust only had 50% of positions filled. We still have the same , if not more patients as when we had more staff. We are having to change the way we work to accommodate the staffing shortages and it’s really not ideal. We are all doing more work and effectively getting a pay cut.

GP's didn't stop providing care. They dealt with just as many patients (more actually because of those referred from secondary care clinics who refused to see them), with less staff due to illness and self isolation rules.
Plus ran Covid hot hubs with plastic aprons and paper masks. Plus vaccinated thousands.
Nothing was perfect but the hardest two years of my 33 NHS career were during Covid.

Well then, it's only fair it was taxed.
If you had received it last year, it would have been taxed.

How do you think the govt affords to pay your salaries anyway? From everyone's taxes, including yours, that's how. All income is taxed.

Isn't it the same as being told the salary for a job is £30k pa, but then you have to pay tax on that so you don't actually have £30k pa to spend?
Years ago we were taxed on a turkey we'd been given as a Christmas gift as it was deemed a benefit in kind 😬

Sorry for the multiple replies - am posting as I read some ridiculous posts.
Like this one:

Imagine what it feels like when you have moved away from your family, had a mountain of student debt, work a 60 hour week pay a fortune in tax and someone on here who works 35 hours a week says it's your taxes should go up even more.

Your taxes aren't going up. You still pay the same percentage (unless it pushes you into a higher tax bracket). You only pay more tax because you've earned more (be that in pay or bonus).

I can't believe the lack of understanding of the U.K. tax system on this thread.

The people complaining about paying tax will doubtless be the same people who complain that the government needs to pay them more - the irony!

Can you imagine the backlash!!! 😁😁