People complaining about their 'bonus'

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Reading a thread about the NHS bonus and everyone unhappy that it's not as much as they expected because of deductions

Made me think that actually people are a bit entitled. we all get taxed on bonus, we should just be grateful we've had some extra.

OP the NHS don't need a bonus subject to tax. They need an actual inflation matching pay rise that they and other public sector workers haven't had for over a decade. Not hard to understand, really.

To be honest with you I've got compassion fatigue with NHS workers now .. Especially with their demands for colossal pay rises (virtually 20%! How absolutely ridiculous!) Don't they think other people who are not NHS workers would like that kind of pay rise as well?! Not everyone has the opportunity to go on strike like they do though. They just have to suck it up with their poxy 1%. NHS workers get on my nerves now.

Just be thankful NHS staff aren’t deducted by the amount of mistakes you make that kill /harm patients. You’d be working for free.

Chorus of “we’re only human!” So are airline pilots and air traffic control. They manage it.

I worked as a HCP for 22 years. I’ve seen things the rest of you like to bury your heads in the sand about until it’s your family member.

IT IS NOT A BONUS !!! It is backdated pay

It's not a bonus it's backdated pay

Well yes I'd assume all back pay or bonuses to be taxed and if I was given a figure I'd work out what to expect straight away.

Do NHS staff not normally get any kind of bonus every year so? I'm a nurse in Ireland and we always get a fairly small one in June, I'm expecting it in this week's payslip. It'll be around €950 which will be roughly €450 after tax.

It's not a bonus it's backdated pay

This is not a sting but a help. You will pay 40% tax & only 2% NI on the amount in the higher band but if your pay over the whole year isn’t in the 40% band you will get the tax element back later as they’ll adjust when the PAYE recognises it’s not your new salary and just a one off. You will not however be charged the extra 10% of NI later. If the bonus takes your overall annual earnings to 40% bracket then that’s just how it goes when you reach that bracket and it would be the same if it were a payrise

DH is a doctor, I work within the NHS in another profession.

Exactly this. The pay isn't bad at all, it's actually pretty good compared to the national average. Nurses bleating on about being in poverty and how they could earn more at Asda (spoiler: they can't, and they'd know that if they'd ever worked at Asda, which they won't do because it pays far less) forget the public can see their pay easily with a quick google.

The pay isn't the issue. We're well paid. It's the conditions that are the issue.

Do NHS staff not normally get any kind of bonus every year so?

No.

Some of management does (a few, high level), and there's a sort of performance-telayed scheme for consultants. But the rest of us? Nada.

'Performance-related'.

I disagree! NHS staff have had such a rough time - they worked so hard throughout the pandemic and didn’t indulge in parties (!)

Now their pay has fallen so far behind inflation it’s a joke.

I know a bonus will always be taxed but it’s still annoying when it’s announced as one figure but it turns out to be so much lower.

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing

NHS staff have had such a rough time - they worked so hard throughout the pandemic and didn’t indulge in parties (!)

A lot of other people worked so hard through the pandemic too. Not just them. Can we all get 20% payrises too, and have it all backdated???

Thought not.

Accepting that this sort of small "bonus" is reasonable is another marker of being underpaid and relatively subjugated by the system.

DH is in academia, and got an unheard of (and similar sized) bonus last year. He'd gone even more above and beyond than usual so it was amply deserved; but also was substituting (inadequately) for ten years of essentially no payrises. He nearly lost his temper (a rare thing!) at his father's reaction when he told him about it - which was "did you complain?" His father worked in insurance all his life, and bonuses were standard. A £1000 bonus, to him, was a derisory and insulting amount.

Think about it.

The ask for 20% was because if they came in and asked for 4% they would get knocked down to 1%. Come in at 20% and hope for 6%.

I left the NHS last year and now work in private sector. I've massively increased my salary, but more importantly I have much better balance in my life. I get any training / learning I need paid for. If I need time off for a hospital appointment I get it, rather than having to take a half day or full day of annual leave. I no longer have to buy my own computer equipment outside of the actual laptop (yes we were all expected to buy our own peripherals in my NHS job). I'm sure if I asked for them to pay for stationery they would. And I'm no longer expected to work at least 10% over my actual working hours for free.

And most importantly I don't have people bitching about how terrible every single employee is in the NHS. How they left people to die during covid while making a 5 minute tiktok video or what ever.

Not all of them - health service staff in NI aren't

What about all the NHS staff who didn't work that hard during the pandemic and shut the NHS's doors to those who needed care? GPs, MH Trusts, the many admin staff who are still working from home. When all the outpatient clinics were cancelled, surely the admin staff could have been detailed to get systems, etc, up to date. Notwithstanding the unfounded dats we were fed by Health scientists who had us shut down to "save the NHS".

Pre covid if anyone dared say a word against the NHS they were shot down by NHS workers and others and particularly on here. If staff were as rude to customers in any other sector they would be dismissed. If the level of mistakes were similar, they would be dismissed. If they were responsible for as much waste, they would be dismissed.

My last two hospital appointments were each an hour and three quarters late. Was there an apology. No of course not. Patients are an irrelevance and inconve ience and that speaks volumes.

Working from home in the pandemic did not mean not working hard. And I can assure you MH trusts were run off their feet. They had to draft community staff into acute services because imagine trying to isolate patients in their room in the wards. No longer able to take patients out, they had to keep them indoors the entire time. Then one person on a ward gets covid, everyone, including staff got it, so then you had large numbers of staff off sick. It was utter hell in mental health. GP's also had a massive increase in patients they dealt with. I became quite seriously ill during one of the lock downs. Had a phone triage, the doctor called me straight in, and then arranged for me to go straight to A&E. Because that was what was needed.

Services were effectively closed, not so their staff could sit around with their feet up, but because they were drafted in to help with the influx of covid patients.

I'd advise you stop reading the Daily Mail and everything it pushes about the lazy NHS staff.

My dd's MH support ceased during covid.

All admin worked from home. The office couldn't forward phone messages. The one appointment she received was between 9am and 5.30pm on the phone. Not so much as a window. She had to take her own BP and her own weight. She's a recovered anorexic.

At lettitow, thank you for the "ignorant af" comment. It underlines your undoubted intellect acquired through post graduate study and professional level work you do.

I mean individuals had no say over the changes made to their roles during covid, to what was suspended and what was changed. The reason care is patchy is because it's short staffed, of which part of the problem is the pay is not comparable to a) HCPs abroad and b) often to others with the same level of education and responsibility. It isn't a desirable job, there are thousands upon thousands vacancies, of course appointments and provision of support is going to be affected; quite strange to rightly want it to be better but also not supportive of the major factor that would help.

Mental health trusts were pushed to the limit, the local trust had several staff die because they didn't wear PPE as not to distress the patients and because social distancing was near on impossible, also lost a lot of patients to covid on the elderly wards which is sad. It was generally horrific and most staff were redeployed, it's unfortunate some didn't recieve the care they needed but you can't magic qualified staff out of thin air.

makes me think either u are a manager in the NHS, or you know nothing about the NHS

Gertrude "and didn’t indulge in parties (!)"- the only people on our road to throw parties during the pandemic were the NHS doctor house! I didn't tackle them about it because I was against all lockdown laws even though I respected them all, but it was annoying.

The ONS stats clearly shows private sector pay outstripping the public sector
Average weekly earnings in Great Britain - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)