Titanic 1997. Aibu to not realise how young Ruth was and that I don’t think Cal was that bad?

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So it’s been a few years since I watched Titanic and always assumed that Ruth was in her 60s but she’s actually late 30s/early 40s. So she could have also got re-married (less likely but still a possibility.)

I know I’ll get flamed for this but I don’t think Cal was an outright villain. He did attempt to connect with Rose and love her but for his fiancé to be socialising with people in third class (when social standing was huge) and to blatantly cheat on him very openly then you can see why he’d be pissed off.

Also I’m judging him by Edwardian standards and not modern day. Obviously he did acts that made him a “bad” person as well.

Thomas Andrews was even hotter in A Night to Remember.

Why? That’s her name?

WHAT?????

It would have if they looked like Leonardo Dicaprio

The plot of titanic and pride and prejudice shouldn't be judged by modern standards. It's too easy nowadays to take for granted the fact we can marry for love. Back then, Rose and Mrs Bennett's daughters would have had dreadfully difficult lives if they didn't marry well.

Sorry, I’m not convinced.

I thought you were calling Rose Ruth at first, I was all kinds of confused. It was a film, the plot going on before after the sinking is completely made up! I remember my parents went to see it and said it was awful, they might have even left before the end! I think they were anticipating an actual documentary style film recreating what happened, not a love story that just happens to take place on the famous ship that sank in 1912 (I was 14 when I saw it and loved it!).

Except she's in a tighter corner. Mr DeWitt Bukater is already dead and they are already penniless, but desperately covering it up. Although, to be fair, Mrs B needed wealthy marriages x 5 and not just one.

I also agree that it makes me think very much of the House of Mirth and Lily being forced to work as a milliner.

I always thought that, too!

And yet, there was still room for two on that door, so if he was the one she really loved, I dread to think what happened to her actual husband. I'm sure there was a shot of her with a plane somewhere in her life story montage - I bet the poor chap met an unfortunate accident with a propellor.

Also, YY to Thomas Andrews. He's on my fantasy dinner party (you know, the X guests, living or dead) list. He seemed like a jolly decent sort of person.

What always gets me is at the end, when Rose dies and goes to ’heaven’, Jack’s waiting for her etc.

Her poor bloody husband who she spent her life with and had kids and grandkids with! He would have been elsewhere in the afterlife looking at his watch and expecting his wife, while having been ditched for a holiday romance! 😅

I suppose the aspiration is the same, and she fulfils a similar role in the narrative as a plot-motivator, but they are so different in personality! I think it would be a very different movie with Mrs Bennet aboard.

This!
He was an abusive twunt.
Oh and it's Rose, not Ruth

Mr.Andrews 😍 I tear up every time I watch the last scene with him!

I had no idea seamstress was a euphemism either. Sewing makes me really angry so either option would be highly unattractive.

I also found Cal quite hot and a lot more manly than wishy washy Jack.

No it's not, it's Rose

I like the ending because it has so many interpretations. Did she die or is she just asleep? Was dropping the diamond linked to her making peace with what happened? Is it a dream or the afterlife?

I think it’s a bit short sighted to just be like - oh it’s heaven and she doesn’t give a shit about her husband or children.

Her name is very much Ruth.

You know that Ruth and Rose are different characters right?

Bugger, ignore me, thought you were on about Rose with mentioning Cal!
Ruth as in her mum.
Oops sorry
You are being doubly unreasonable then - Ruth was a foul snob and Cal was abusive.

Yes sorry, thought you meant Rose not her mum ( who is Ruth) and in my defence I wasnt the only one 😬

But that was my interpretation. ‘‘Twas just a wee joke!

I liked Mr Andrews, but his character in Legally Blonde makes him less attractive to me.

I always found it sad that Fabrizio and his love interest died. They cut out quite a few of their scenes. Apparently Cal was suppose to be really evil on the original version and killed Fabrizio when he tried to get in his lifeboat.

The definition of whether or not we are good or bad people is not what happens to us, it's how we react to it.

Rose may have behaved badly. Cal did not respond by calling off the engagement and findng someone better, as a rational person might do. He hit her, threatened her, had someone arrested for something they didn't do and then, ultimately tries to kill her and Jack.

His reaction tells us he is a bad person - regardless of what Rose's behaviour tells us about her.

Why is Ruth a foul snob? Was she not just of her time?

I’m sure most first class people didn’t associate with third class.

Oh sorry I thought you wanted a discussion so you started a thread. But rude to call us short sighted when we’re offering up our interpretation of the film (that many of us first watched when we were pre-teens!)

I liked Mr Andrews, but his character in Legally Blonde makes him less attractive to me.

But, but but but .... Jack BRISTOW! (lower lip starts to work) 😭