Titanic 1997. Aibu to not realise how young Ruth was and that I don’t think Cal was that bad?

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So it’s been a few years since I watched Titanic and always assumed that Ruth was in her 60s but she’s actually late 30s/early 40s. So she could have also got re-married (less likely but still a possibility.)

I know I’ll get flamed for this but I don’t think Cal was an outright villain. He did attempt to connect with Rose and love her but for his fiancé to be socialising with people in third class (when social standing was huge) and to blatantly cheat on him very openly then you can see why he’d be pissed off.

Also I’m judging him by Edwardian standards and not modern day. Obviously he did acts that made him a “bad” person as well.

Exactly! Of course she wouldn’t want that!

Not if you saw Dead Calm before Titanic.

Shit, wrong quote. I meant to reply about Cal being hot!

I really don't 😮 I'm gonna google it now. Will I regret it?

Googled it now! Never knew what it was a euphemism for! prostitute! That's a new one on me.

Yeah, Mr Andrews is a proper sort!

I take it you're not a Discworld fan!

"A survey by the Guild of Merchants in the docks area of Ankh-Morpork found 987 women who gave their profession as "seamstress" – and two needles."

Another vote for Mr Andrews!

DS1 and I watched it in the cinema recently.. the 3D version. I am embarrassed to say that I had completely failed to twig (after all these years... and enduring DS1's titanic phase) that Cal and Rose were sleeping together before marriage gasp. It simply never crossed my mind as i assumed sex before marriage as a big taboo.

I just can’t believe that it got so many complaints because they had Kate Winslet play the main character and she was too fat!

Margaret Brown who was on the real titanic was an incredible woman.
She helped people into lifeboats, gave money to the families who lost loved ones and wasn’t allowed to talk about what happened in court because she was a woman and so she published an article in the paper.

Where they? How do you know?

Oh wow me neither!

Imagine if you actually worked as a seamstress.

Because when Cal gives her the necklace they are in the same bedroom, both in their nightgowns and Cal says something like; 'I expected you would come to me last night'.

@AlligatorPsychopath Nope. Not a Discworld fan!

I'd never noticed before other than vaguely thinking 'Is it proper he sees her in her nightgown before marriage?'

Seriously- DS1 has as one of his special interests the Titanic and i have endured the film possibly a hundred times. No idea how I managed to miss that.

Em it seems from reading the thread that seamstress meant prostitute? I had no idea. I thought it meant seamstress - you know a person who makes clothes and sews things.

I googled seamstress and it says person who makes things and sews things.

where is the secret meaning of the word seamstress. Totally confused by this....

There are some links in the answers here: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/348396/was-seamstress-used-as-a-euphemism-for-sex-workers-in-real-life

I loved Titanic.

Remember for Christmas my main ask was getting the video, the poster and the tape for the soundtrack. I got them ☺️

Haven't seen it for so long. It's so tense

How do we know that Cal and Rose were sleeping together before marriage? I remember when Cal says 'there's nothing I couldn't give you, nothing I wouldn't do for you....if only you would not deny me...'

I took that to mean he wanted her to give in and sleep with him before marriage.
Am I just dense?

Think people are saying because he said he wanted her to come to him in the night, but does that actually mean they slept together?

@SayHi Margaret Brown was an incredible lady, as was Noel Leslie, Countess of Rothes.
She took the tiller of lifeboat 8 and rowed. Comforted other passengers, and kept morale up till they were rescued by the Carpathia.
She kept a correspondence with Seaman Jones who had also been in lifeboat 8 for the rest of her life.

They weren’t sleeping together and he’s clearly pissed off about it. So yes he is that bad because there’s nothing worse than someone trying to strop you into sex.

No Cal is definitely trying to get Rose to sleep with him, presumably because they will get married as soon as they get to NYC anyway so it wouldn’t make any difference. But I don’t think she has actually gone through with it by the time she jeers Jack. She’s a very mature looking 17 year old I will say!

They wouldn’t never have lasted unfortunately, her and Jack, not in a million years. Always thought it was really off that she dreams of meeting him again at the end of her life and not her actual husband who presumably she loved and they had children together! He could get in the bin apparently 😂

*meets Jack!

Ruth was probably making do on whatever she had been left as a widow - a good marriage for Rose is not just snobbery, it is survival.

Has anyone read Edith Wharton 'The House of Mirth'? This tells the story of Lily Bart, who is born into the fringes of New York high society but has barely any money, having lost both her parents. Her only option - literally her only chance of survival - is to make a good marriage, but she is seen as an easy target by wealthy married men and her reputation gets damaged. She falls out of high society and finds work as a hat maker, but eventually falls on desperately hard times. The novel really emphasises how hard it was for women not within the shelter of either a family unit or marriage.

I agree. Cameron's representation of Colonel Gracie turned him into a blustering, bumbling fool whereas the actual historical character was colourful, seemingly charismatic and gave the opposite impression to that of ridiculous.

The portrayal of the first officer, William Murdoch, was nothing short of defamatory. Cameron was later compelled to apologise to his descendants for this.