To think that people like anti-abortionist Kristan Hawkins are the enemy of women and feminism everywhere

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Maybe extreme but..I was just reading this BBC article (link below) on Kristan Hawkins and it made my blood boil as I am pro choice. She is the woman from the US organisation Students for Life of America and has been instrumental in over turning Roe v Wade. She is now on the back of this 'success' campaigning for total abortion ban across America . The overturning of Roe V Wade is a decision which will likely result in the death or debilitation of many pregnant women who either cannot access much needed abortions for health reasons or try to access back street illegal abortions or could even commit suicide as a result. Not to mention there could be many unwanted children dumped into the care system or brought up in abusive environments. I just cannot fathom why anyone, let alone a woman would do this. I'm sure if it was one of her kids who was pregnant and needed a medical abortion to save their life she'd change her tune! How blinkered does a person have to be to not think of the impact of banning abortion on both women and children! And how has such medieval policy been allowed to happen in modern day America..could this happen in the UK?! Are we losing our rights as women? When did the life of a fetus become more important than the life of its mother?

BBC article

I have known more than one woman, and one 13 year old girl, who became pregnant through rape. She is so far beyond offensive that I can't really articulate it. She is an extremist zealot and the main stream UK media have no reason to be amplifying her dangerous.and offensive views.

What about the 5 year old girl who went through precocious puberty at 2, was sexually assaulted by a family member and was pregnant at 5.

She had to go through that pregnancy, and I’m sure the baby was born via c-section but it’s still something she had to go through.

The little boy was raised as her brother. Not too bad at a young age, but when she was older, imagine the trauma she had to go through mentally.

If that girl had access to abortion, she 100% should have been able to have one. She was 5!!!

And no I’m not writing the wrong age. That child was five years old.

People like Kristan Hawkins, @Lexie365 and @Dacadactyl are okay with this if it means no abortion happens.

I was reading an article which said the Roe vs Wade campaign was funded by the far right due to the disparity between white abortions and the fact that America will be mixed race by 2050 anyone else heard this ?

No, it sounds like a conspiracy theory.

Given the racism present in America in the 1970s it doesn't sound completely implausible. Wasn't Nicon recorded saying he didn't like abortion but would make an exception in the case of mixed-race babies?

I don’t agree with her but she is entitled to her opinion. Many women agree with her. I think abortion after the first trimester is very very questionable. A lot don’t agree with a 24 week limit.

She is trying to force that opinion on others. Campaigning to ban abortion under all circumstances.

All those people who don't agree with a 24 week limit are free not to have abortions after any arbitary limit they wish to oppose upon themselves, and in return all they have to do is mind their own business as to what other people do.

Simple, really.

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A lot of women (and men) are actually clueless about the statistics in terms of the % of abortions that take place in the 2nd/3rd trimester and the reasons for those abortions. (hint: it's not lifestyle). My take on this is that these are people who have got baby-pink tinted glasses on and can't handle the truth.

For all of you on this thread who call yourselves pro life: this is what you want women to suffer

Sickening.

All pro life people agree with abortion when the mother's life is in danger. No pro-life person wants the mother to endure a pregnancy that kills them. What pro-life people campaign against is a woman ending her pregnancy when the baby could have been born healthy and "normal" and with the mother surviving child birth.

@eggsbenedict23 that is simply not true. The woman whose article triggered this thread wants no legal abortion at all. And there are at least two posters on this thread who agree with her.

And even if you make exemptions for medical conditions, you are still forcing a woman to have a baby she does not want, with all the associated risks. Giving birth is much more hazardous to a woman's health than having an abortion.

And lastly, the fact is simply this: banning abortions does not stop women from having them. It just kills women.

Shame there's so many "oopsies" when they get their way and the State bans abortion.

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/jan/26/poland-death-of-woman-refused-abortion

www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-20321741

These are tragedies. But I still stand with the principle that if the woman is physically fit enough to have the pregnancy and the baby will be born fine, the baby has the right to life.

And another www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1647381/

This woman escaped with her life (but not her uterus) because doctors were afraid to give her a medically necessary abortion www.salon.com/2023/06/01/tennessee-woman-nearly-and-required-a-hysterectomy-after-being-denied-abortion_partner/

This woman died because the doctor, who was one of those abortion objectors who doesn't want to see a mother die, refused to perform the abortion. www.conscientious-objection.info/valentina-italy/

Her babies died too, as they always were going to.

Those compassionate prolifers are getting US States to pass abortion laws that look like they contain compassion exemptions, but in practice prevent doctors from acting.

www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/issue-brief/a-review-of-exceptions-in-state-abortions-bans-implications-for-the-provision-of-abortion-services/

The gynaecologist can tell the health of the baby with the advanced medical technology we have . Yes I will say baby. When you talk to an expecting mother you say "how's the baby"? When young children talk about their upcoming sibling they say "the baby in mummy's tummy".

It's still a life, just inside the womb

"Pregnancy remains very safe in the UK, with the overall maternal death rate showing a slight decrease. Among 2,173,810 women who gave birth in 2017-2019, 191 died during or up to six weeks after pregnancy, and 495 during or up to one year after their pregnancy."

Simple to kill a 24 week old baby that would otherwise survive. Yes simple indeed……

So if you miscarry at any stage there is no sadness or tragedy allowed, no grief, it was merely a foetus, a nothing. Not living or loved or feeling pain and sensation. C’mon admit the contradiction here.

In 2021 there were approximately 270 terminations after the 24 week limit.

The vast majority were for abnormalities incompatible with life. A small number were for Down Syndrome. But don't let that interrupt your lovely narrative about all those feckless women who have very late term abortions just for the funsies, will you?